New York , New York

[gales0678]

how spending can just go on and on in these times is outrageous , but the unions control a lot of votes in Albany and they are going to put people in power who will give them what they want

i don't agree with everything golisano does , but , in this case how is he not right , at some point you just can't keep raising taxes on top income earners , it just isn't sustainable, wall st sent a lot of tax $ to albany every year and a lot of the firms have gone busto - the spending spree cannot go on forever - don't for get the $ from the feds this year won't be here 2-3 years from now , where is albany going to make up the loss of these funds - it's simple it's going to come from middle class workers across the state through higher property taxes , school taxes and income taxes unless of course the cut spending , which is highly unlikely

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how spending can just go on and on in these times is outrageous , but the unions control a lot of votes in Albany and they are going to put people in power who will give them what they want

i don't agree with everything golisano does , but , in this case how is he not right , at some point you just can't keep raising taxes on top income earners , it just isn't sustainable, wall st sent a lot of tax $ to albany every year and a lot of the firms have gone busto - the spending spree cannot go on forever - don't for get the $ from the feds this year won't be here 2-3 years from now , where is albany going to make up the loss of these funds - it's simple it's going to come from middle class workers across the state through higher property taxes , school taxes and income taxes unless of course the cut spending , which is highly unlikely

I don't like Patterson but the one thing he is trying to do is curb spending. The problem is the political system is so corrupt here that it is hard for him to do.

The federal money isn't a problem. New York has had a policy that we serve every customer who comes through our doors at the One Stop Centers around the state. Then the customers with the most need are given advanced training services with the normal money we get from the feds for the WIA program. All that the additional stimulus money is being used for is to be able to offer training for a much larger percentage of the customer base and to fund a summer youth employment program. Once the stimulus money is gone we will revert to how it was before.

For the stimulus money provided for UI, the state just extended unemployment benefits to 72 weeks. Once the stimulus money is gone the number of benefit weeks will be reduced. So no problem once that money is gone.

Contrary to popular belief the states can't simply take the stimulus money and use it to fund existing programs in place of normal funds. It has to be used for an expansion of service which will simply be contracted when the stimulus money runs out.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't like Patterson but the one thing he is trying to do is curb spending. The problem is the political system is so corrupt here that it is hard for him to do.

The federal money isn't a problem. New York has had a policy that we serve every customer who comes through our doors at the One Stop Centers around the state. Then the customers with the most need are given advanced training services with the normal money we get from the feds for the WIA program. All that the additional stimulus money is being used for is to be able to offer training for a much larger percentage of the customer base and to fund a summer youth employment program. Once the stimulus money is gone we will revert to how it was before.

For the stimulus money provided for UI, the state just extended unemployment benefits to 72 weeks. Once the stimulus money is gone the number of benefit weeks will be reduced. So no problem once that money is gone.

Contrary to popular belief the states can't simply take the stimulus money and use it to fund existing programs in place of normal funds. It has to be used for an expansion of service which will simply be contracted when the stimulus money runs out.

that is laughable , you and i know something will pass to keep these services in place

we are one of the highest taxed states in the union and voters like us should demand that we get a budget on time and not one cooked up behind closed doors , albany is broken and needs fixen - where is all the lost wall st $$$ going to come from scott ??? there has to be cuts soon or taxes will go up so much we will keep losing more people every day

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

that is laughable , you and i know something will pass to keep these services in place

Actually, you are wrong about that, those services will be gone when the stimulus money is gone. What will happen though is the maximum UI pay rate will be raised from $405 a week to somewhere in the neighborhood of $700 which is going to be a large burden on the taxpayers.

[gales0678]

so in effect it's still a tax hike , that's what i am trying to get across

there is no free lunch

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

so in effect it's still a tax hike , that's what i am trying to get across

there is no free lunch

The $405 cap on benefits is going to be gone no matter what. The stimulus money isn't going to have an impact on that.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Gales, if it was true(that Conservatives want to help the middle class,) then they would be more powerful right now. They favor the rich over the Middle Class. They actually favor the poor over the Middle Class. That tax cut you think you could get from the Conservatives in your state may be reality, but they will eventually let big business take it back from the middle. Don't believe that? How much did you pay the rich when the oil companies charged 40 or 50 cents profit on every gallon of $4.50 gas?.... A lot. Oil companies were making 10 bil a quarter year, and what did Conservatives do to help out the Middle there? Nothing. They could of opened it up for competition(by getting rid of that monopoly), or charging them (so 5 bil of the 10 bil could go for paying for that Iraq thing.) That's a choice they made(to simply do nothing when oil companies were rippin' off the poor and the middle.) Now they have to wait for the Dems to screw up, and they will. Wouldn't have to wait like that if they cared more about the middle. The middle class guy who think's he's taxed too much (and not using any services) will turn back to the Conservatives for tax cuts, and cuts in spending. What will happen is always the same though (whetever you think you save in taxes will simply be shifted to the rich, because Conservatives always allow big business to gouge the middle.) The smarter the electorate, the more often they will understand this. The biggest point Conservatives have over the Dems is immigration. Totally retarded to even talk about any type of National Healthcare structure when you don't want to do what most every other country does (control the number of people immigrating to your country.) There is nothing wrong with sending people back when they break the law. There is nothing wrong with Electrifying a fence to keep law breakers out of your country.