Zenyatta

RolloTomasi · #1 05-06-2009, 07:34 PM

This is some of the most ridiculous stuff ever posted. Not only is the focus of the thread a race a mere 6 months away, but we also get insightful tidbits such as indisputable evidence of Zenyatta's horrible dirt form (she defeated subsequent multiple graded stakes winner Brownie Points by open lengths) and definitive proof that Rachel Alexandra can't handle synthetic surfaces (future trainer Steve Asmussen wins races less frequently on synthetics than regular dirt).

At least the avatar displays a true voice of reason.

freddymo · #2 05-06-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This is some of the most ridiculous stuff ever posted. Not only is the focus of the thread a race a mere 6 months away, but we also get insightful tidbits such as indisputable evidence of Zenyatta's horrible dirt form (she defeated subsequent multiple graded stakes winner Brownie Points by open lengths) and definitive proof that Rachel Alexandra can't handle synthetic surfaces (future trainer Steve Asmussen wins races less frequently on synthetics than regular dirt).

At least the avatar displays a true voice of reason.

Brownie Points is a dog Biscuit

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 05-06-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Brownie Points is a dog Biscuit

A big time understatment.

I like how were supposed to assume that Rachel Alexandra will run her race in the Breeders Cup even though the track is the most closer friendly in the country - and even though Asmussen is downright brutal with synthetic horses.

Asmussen still hasn't even won a route race on KEE's syntethic track and it's been around since 2006.

He got his first 31 post time favorites beat on PID's syntethic track. Pyro was a claimer over syntethic tracks and Curlin couldn't even beat Tiag-slow

Danzig · #4 05-06-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This is some of the most ridiculous stuff ever posted. Not only is the focus of the thread a race a mere 6 months away, but we also get insightful tidbits such as indisputable evidence of Zenyatta's horrible dirt form (she defeated subsequent multiple graded stakes winner Brownie Points by open lengths) and definitive proof that Rachel Alexandra can't handle synthetic surfaces (future trainer Steve Asmussen wins races less frequently on synthetics than regular dirt).

At least the avatar displays a true voice of reason.

not sure what zenyattas dirt form has to do with the distaff. i'd rather see the two meet on dirt, since both have shown they can handle it. that way, no excuses.
rachel may well handle syns, but i'd rather it be effort and talent vs the same, on neutral ground.

The Indomitable DrugS · #5 05-06-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This is some of the most ridiculous stuff ever posted. Not only is the focus of the thread a race a mere 6 months away, but we also get insightful tidbits such as indisputable evidence of Zenyatta's horrible dirt form (she defeated subsequent multiple graded stakes winner Brownie Points by open lengths) and definitive proof that Rachel Alexandra can't handle synthetic surfaces (future trainer Steve Asmussen wins races less frequently on synthetics than regular dirt).

At least the avatar displays a true voice of reason.

The whole thing was sort of a play on my RA was a cinch to win the KY Oaks thread - 3 months before the race.

Zenyatta's Apple Blossom win was mediocre.

I love how you call Brownie Points a subsquent Graded Stakes winner ... she won a Grade 3 turf stake at Lone Star Park next time out.

In her next dirt race after the Apple Blossom she ran a mediocre 5th with a 79 Beyer. Her 3 prior dirt Beyer before the Apple Blossom were 89, 80, and 86.

She stinks ... and if you trust Zenyatta's absurd 104 Beyer in the Apple Blossom ... I guess you also have to trust Tiag-slow's 110 in a nose victory that day ... a number that no rational person can believe he is capable of runnning.

Danzig · #6 05-06-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The whole thing was sort of a play on my RA was a cinch to win the KY Oaks thread - 3 months before the race.

Zenyatta's Apple Blossom win was mediocre.

I love how you call Brownie Points a subsquent Graded Stakes winner ... she won a Grade 3 turf stake at Lone Star Park next time out.

In her next dirt race after the Apple Blossom she ran a mediocre 5th with a 79 Beyer. Her 3 prior dirt Beyer before the Apple Blossom were 89, 80, and 86.

She stinks ... and if you trust Zenyatta's absurd 104 Beyer in the Apple Blossom ... I guess you also have to trust Tiag-slow's 110 in a nose victory that day ... a number that no rational person can believe he is capable of runnning.

horse racing fans are rational?

RolloTomasi · #7 05-06-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I love how you call Brownie Points a subsquent Graded Stakes winner ... she won a Grade 3 turf stake at Lone Star Park next time out.

In her next dirt race after the Apple Blossom she ran a mediocre 5th with a 79 Beyer. Her 3 prior dirt Beyer before the Apple Blossom were 89, 80, and 86.

She stinks ... and if you trust Zenyatta's absurd 104 Beyer in the Apple Blossom ... I guess you also have to trust Tiag-slow's 110 in a nose victory that day ... a number that no rational person can believe he is capable of runnning.

Yep. Brownie Points sure is no Stone Legacy.

Kudos on calling Rachel Alexandra the KY Oaks winner way back in February. She was only odds on in her two subsequent starts.

Oh, and Tiago is no Giacomo.

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 05-06-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Yep. Brownie Points sure is no Stone Legacy.

Kudos on calling Rachel Alexandra the KY Oaks winner way back in February. She was only odds on in her two subsequent starts.

Oh, and Tiago is no Giacomo.

It was a call that deserves no kudos ... just as calling Zenyatta the Distaff winner now deserves no kudos... and is only me just throwing something out there in case something goes wrong to give someone something to use against me at a later date.

Although - most people did believe that Stardom Bound was the most likely Oaks winner at the time - and even several weeks later - Justwhistledixie closed as the pool 3 favorite over Rachel Alexandra... but whatever.

10 pnt move up · #9 05-07-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was a call that deserves no kudos ... just as calling Zenyatta the Distaff winner now deserves no kudos... and is only me just throwing something out there in case something goes wrong to give someone something to use against me at a later date.

Although - most people did believe that Stardom Bound was the most likely Oaks winner at the time - and even several weeks later - Justwhistledixie closed as the pool 3 favorite over Rachel Alexandra... but whatever.

No one thought SB was going to win the Oaks once she ran her first race this year, unless "most" means racing people with a clue using your nomenclature.

The Indomitable DrugS · #10 05-07-2009, 05:45 PM

She closed at 22/1 to win the Kentucky Derby after her first race back.

10 pnt move up · #11 05-07-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She closed at 22/1 to win the Kentucky Derby after her first race back.

The money in those futures is smarter than the money on Derby day?

freddymo · #12 05-06-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Yep. Brownie Points sure is no Stone Legacy.

Kudos on calling Rachel Alexandra the KY Oaks winner way back in February. She was only odds on in her two subsequent starts.

Oh, and Tiago is no Giacomo.

Giacomo is the third worst derby winner of all time...Bird Crap Sea Cucumber and Joke O so Slow

The Indomitable DrugS · #13 05-06-2009, 08:11 PM

Giacomo was a much better 2yo than Tiago... and is pretty much his equal after that.

freddymo · #14 05-06-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Giacomo was a much better 2yo than Tiago... and is pretty much his equal after that.

I wouldn't breed a mare to him for free..Why waste a season he is a pig a flithy slow beast that made lucky people luckier.. I would rather breed to Santana Strings

The Indomitable DrugS · #15 05-06-2009, 08:28 PM

The dam of both Giacomo and Tiago was an absolute rocketship though.

So - maybe they will both sire speed sprinters - who knows.

Revidere · #16 05-08-2009, 09:38 AM

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I wouldn't breed a mare to him for free..Why waste a season he is a pig a flithy slow beast that made lucky people luckier.. I would rather breed to Santana Strings

So you're saying that handicapping a race to fall apart is luck? No offense to the "intelligent" people that lost that day, but anyone of those horses like Bellamy Road, and High Fly who raced near the lead had NO shot that day. I guess that it was luck that told me with High Limit, Flower Alley, Going Wild and Spanish Chestnut you were going to have a freak pace scenario. I've lost a helluva lot more times in this game than I've won, but I'll never apologize for that pick. It's amazing I've had to defend it for four years.

Call him filthy, call him a pig, call him a slow beast; but you must call him a Derby winner.