Jon v Andy

jms62 · #1 04-29-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Very informative, for all of us that didnt catch the show why dont you clue us in on their positions.

Quick Summary (In my own words)

John:

POTN Triple Triple Crown Potential
Will be better on dirt

Andy: (cough, cough)
No shot and won't hit the board, anyone who thinks other is nuts
Alluded that there is a reason he started off on Turf as opposed to dirt.

kgar311 · #2 04-29-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Quick Summary (In my own words)

John:

POTN Triple Triple Crown Potential
Will be better on dirt

Andy: (cough, cough)
No shot and won't hit the board, anyone who thinks other is nuts
Alluded that there is a reason he started off on Turf as opposed to dirt.

Thanks, Im listening to Johns dribble right now. How can you compare POTN to Point Given just because they raced in the same stakes. Does he not realize that they were two different surfaces and you need different running styles. And this polyrat will win the Triple Crown?

I agree with Andy 150% POTN WILL NOT HIT THE BOARD! Save your money people the horse has no shot.

Will this idiot go into hiding after the derby? Lets hope.

jms62 · #3 04-29-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Thanks, Im listening to Johns dribble right now. How can you compare POTN to Point Given just because they raced in the same stakes. Does he not realize that they were two different surfaces and you need different running styles. And this polyrat will win the Triple Crown?

I agree with Andy 150% POTN WILL NOT HIT THE BOARD! Save your money people the horse has no shot.

Will this idiot go into hiding after the derby? Lets hope.

He is far from an idiot. He simply has a strong opinion on the horse that he is going to back... It is the nature of the game we play. We think our opinion is the only one that is correct and all others are morons. We are putting money on it.

kgar311 · #4 04-29-2009, 10:51 AM

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He is far from an idiot. He simply has a strong opinion on the horse that he is going to back... It is the nature of the game we play. We think our opinion is the only one that is correct and all others are morons. We are putting money on it.

Hes an IDIOT

mclem0822 · #5 04-29-2009, 11:59 AM

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Hes an IDIOT

Look, just because you have a different opinion than the guy does not make him an idiot! This guy works hours and hours, he's a freakin machine of knowledge about racing which I very much appreciate. Yes the constant POTN stuff gets annoying, he may be dead wrong here, but he is not an idiot. I have alot of respect for Jon White, and the contributations he brings to ATR.

10 pnt move up · #6 04-29-2009, 12:06 PM

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Look, just because you have a different opinion than the guy does not make him an idiot! This guy works hours and hours, he's a freakin machine of knowledge about racing which I very much appreciate. Yes the constant POTN stuff gets annoying, he may be dead wrong here, but he is not an idiot. I have alot of respect for Jon White, and the contributations he brings to ATR.

Jon White is pretty solid IMO, he may be dead ass wrong here but that does not change a lifes work as a professional handicapper and gambler.

I know its hard to believe but even the great Serling once said IWR was a mediocrity, of course it was at that point I started searching out futures

johnny pinwheel · #7 04-29-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Jon White is pretty solid IMO, he may be dead ass wrong here but that does not change a lifes work as a professional handicapper and gambler.

I know its hard to believe but even the great Serling once said IWR was a mediocrity, of course it was at that point I started searching out futures

professional handicapper and gambler? i don't think hes either one. hes not an idiot but any gambler worth a dime never talks like its a sure thing. thats rule number one and why they call it gambling. i love when people come on here and on tv or the paper and talk a horse up so much thats its freakin batman , spiderman and wonder woman all tied up in one. it always tells me to look around. they all lose at one time and its best when the odds are short and everyone is talking "cinch". i've been gambling for a long time and horses rarely, rarely go undefeated or live up to all the crap talk. my biggest days have come at the expense of easy goer, smarty jones and big brown. when someone comes up with a system of "sure things" let me know. i sure don't think this guy has one !

CSC · #8 04-29-2009, 12:07 PM

Even if POTN doesn't win the derby will it really resolve anything? He may not win because he is not fast enough, not because of the surface.

kgar311 · #9 04-29-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mclem0822

Look, just because you have a different opinion than the guy does not make him an idiot! This guy works hours and hours, he's a freakin machine of knowledge about racing which I very much appreciate. Yes the constant POTN stuff gets annoying, he may be dead wrong here, but he is not an idiot. I have alot of respect for Jon White, and the contributations he brings to ATR.

Hes a wealth of knowledge...GREAT! this is his job, his field if work. I have knowledge also and dont even put in a fraction of time into it. If you are a so called expert its really not what you know or can recite about what happened in the past. In my book its about making smart decisions in future races and knowing all the angles. To come out and say something like POTN is not only going to win the Derby but win the whole damn triple crown is pretty IDIOTIC in my book. In no way shape or form does he have any solid evidence or prior history to go by that can support anything he says. Experts dont shoot off at the hip they are normally supported by evidence or fact which there is none here.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #10 04-29-2009, 10:56 AM

wile he is no idiot j.w has beaten this drum to death..andy is looking at realitys on the handicapping side.its a whole lot to ask for this horse to make the switch in surface and beat some others in here who could be better suited.

Antitrust32 · #11 04-29-2009, 11:15 AM

I wonder how much

he's going to bet on his triple winner on saturday.

hope he doesnt bet the ranch!!

Though... with so many quality horses out of the race POTN could run in the money just because of class.

I have no clue what this horse is going to do on Saturday, and that worries me when it comes to wagering!

Bobby Fischer · #12 04-29-2009, 11:18 AM

serling towers over JW

satan's twin · #13 04-29-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

serling towers over JW

The other guy must be Jimminy Cricket.

jms62 · #14 04-29-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

wile he is no idiot j.w has beaten this drum to death..andy is looking at realitys on the handicapping side.its a whole lot to ask for this horse to make the switch in surface and beat some others in here who could be better suited.

The big question that I am struggling with is will the First Time Dirt guys hit the super. Last year I think their best finish was 6th. Would love to narrow down contenders for my annual stab at a big super.

10 pnt move up · #15 04-29-2009, 11:56 AM

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The big question that I am struggling with is will the First Time Dirt guys hit the super. Last year I think their best finish was 6th. Would love to narrow down contenders for my annual stab at a big super.

Do you really think it had to do with synthetic to dirt or maybe it was because those horses who ran on syn sucked and everyone knew it.

I believe the only horse going from syn to dirt in the Derby who every won anything else of substance was Colonel John and that was a really bad Travers stakes.

sdjcom · #16 04-29-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Thanks, Im listening to Johns dribble right now. How can you compare POTN to Point Given just because they raced in the same stakes. Does he not realize that they were two different surfaces and you need different running styles. And this polyrat will win the Triple Crown?

I agree with Andy 150% POTN WILL NOT HIT THE BOARD! Save your money people the horse has no shot.

Will this idiot go into hiding after the derby? Lets hope.

I can't believe you call Jon White an idiot, that tells me you know less than zero. This man is devoted,avid and professional about his job in racing and always trys to get the best info he can all year, not just on his derby pick. He is one of the best ambassadors racing has to offer. BY the way who is your pick for the derby ?

freddymo · #17 04-29-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

I can't believe you call Jon White an idiot, that tells me you know less than zero. This man is devoted,avid and professional about his job in racing and always trys to get the best info he can all year, not just on his derby pick. He is one of the best ambassadors racing has to offer. BY the way who is your pick for the derby ?

Picking a colt to win the triple crown who hasn't raced on dirt is bizarre,perhaps idiotic? I am sure he isnt an idiot, the opinion is without merit, he might have a ton..

sdjcom · #18 04-29-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Picking a colt to win the triple crown who hasn't raced on dirt is bizarre,perhaps idiotic? I am sure he isnt an idiot, the opinion is without merit, he might have a ton..

I feel most of us are over handicapping the race, except for top 5-6 horses we know if anything else wins it will be because of racing luck in their favor. If POTN wins then the never raced on dirt theory will not be talked about next year. it's coming maybe not this year but this factor will fade . It hasn't happened yet because maybe a horse good enough in the last 5 years has not showed up from syn-trk only races. Within a few years the top horses will have to be able to run on both with BC and other top races moving around to the non-dirt tracks.

Rudeboyelvis · #19 04-29-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

I can't believe you call Jon White an idiot, that tells me you know less than zero. This man is devoted,avid and professional about his job in racing and always trys to get the best info he can all year, not just on his derby pick. He is one of the best ambassadors racing has to offer. BY the way who is your pick for the derby ?

Stan, the guy is the biggest douchebag that's ever showed up here. In fact the only person I've ever put on ignore because he adds absolutely nothing pertinent to any discussion.

Seriously, don't waste your breath/keystrokes responding to him

kgar311 · #20 04-29-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Stan, the guy is the biggest douchebag that's ever showed up here. In fact the only person I've ever put on ignore because he adds absolutely nothing pertinent to any discussion.

Seriously, don't waste your breath/keystrokes responding to him

And you know me how? who are you, what do you add?