Just for a change of pace

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That's why I won't call myself pro-abortion but pro-choice. It's the woman carrying the baby that has sole choice to end the pregnancy not the drunk driver. Where the slope gets slippery IMO is when the mother is a drunk and seemingly has made the choice to have the baby but also made the choice to drink/do drugs that either killed or damaged the baby. Not sure about what to do in that case. Murder v. Manslughter v. Child Abuse?

I think that should be a murder and a child abuse charge. Women in this day of age fully know what the harm of doing drugs while pregnant are.

Here is more of my laws if I was dictator (B-dub would HATE me)

If you do any drugs/ smoke cigs / smoke pot / drink booze while pregnant you get arrested on Child Abuse and you cannot keep your baby. If the baby dies as a result it would be a murder charge also.

Abortion will be legal.. but to punish women who take advantage of abortion by being sluts and not caring.. just get the baby aborted... I would make the cost of your first abortion be $2,000. Cost of 2nd abortion, $4,000.. 3rd abortion will be $8,000 and so on. I guess it would be impossible to enforce this law. Free abortion in the case of rape/incest.

If you rape someone or molest children.. get your balls and dick chopped off.

Public hangings for convicted 1st degree murderers... I think that would be effective in keeping people from committing premedidated murder.

Gay marriage is legal & pot is legal.


I dont know if anyone would vote for me.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Abortion will be legal.. but to punish women who take advantage of abortion by being sluts and not caring.. just get the baby aborted... I would make the cost of your first abortion be $2,000. Cost of 2nd abortion, $4,000.. 3rd abortion will be $8,000 and so on. I guess it would be impossible to enforce this law. Free abortion in the case of rape/incest.

Ok, philosophical question for you then -- if abortion should be legal, then you'd likely be of the mind that it's not really a person per se when it's aborted....so why would you care if women had three? Or six? Or ten, if she clearly has no emotional issue with doing so?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, philosophical question for you then -- if abortion should be legal, then you'd likely be of the mind that it's not really a person per se when it's aborted....so why would you care if women had three? Or six? Or ten, if she clearly has no emotional issue with doing so?

I dont know when it's a person. I know when they grow for awhile in the womb, on the ultrasound they sure look like a person, heart beats like a person, makes faces like a person, kicks like a person, etc.

I think only 1st term abortions should be legal. This is a tough subject. I personally feel that there is no way I could have an abortion if somehow I got knocked up. Though I'm sure there are religious wacko's out there who would say I am having theoretical abortions by not sleeping with men.

With that said, there are though situations that occur everyday, to women all over the world, where an abortion may be the best answer for them. (raped, way too young, just not ready and have no money & no partner, etc.). I do not feel that I can judge those women for those hard decisions that they have to make. I am all for choice.

BUT.. I cannot respect women who abuse abortion and use it as a means of birthcontrol, because they are two lazy to use condoms, the pill, or keep their damn legs closed. I think it is disgusting and immoral and I think it should be illegal in that regard. Upping the cost for the abortions in this case would most likely lessen the problem (are the sluts gonna get prego's when they know its gonna cost them $32,000 to get an abortion??), and still be there for people who have legit reasons to have an abortion.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know when it's a person. I know when they grow for awhile in the womb, on the ultrasound they sure look like a person, heart beats like a person, makes faces like a person, kicks like a person, etc.

I think only 1st term abortions should be legal. This is a tough subject. I personally feel that there is no way I could have an abortion if somehow I got knocked up. Though I'm sure there are religious wacko's out there who would say I am having theoretical abortions by not sleeping with men.

With that said, there are though situations that occur everyday, to women all over the world, where an abortion may be the best answer for them. (raped, way too young, just not ready and have no money & no partner, etc.). I do not feel that I can judge those women for those hard decisions that they have to make. I am all for choice.

BUT.. I cannot respect women who abuse abortion and use it as a means of birthcontrol, because they are two lazy to use condoms, the pill, or keep their damn legs closed. I think it is disgusting and immoral and I think it should be illegal in that regard. Upping the cost for the abortions in this case would most likely lessen the problem (are the sluts gonna get prego's when they know its gonna cost them $32,000 to get an abortion??), and still be there for people who have legit reasons to have an abortion.

Fair. Completely.

Just like my anti-death penalty stance, my pro-choice stance is absolute as well. It's each woman's choice. I may not agree with all the choices a woman may make, but to me, that's what being pro-choice is...that it doesn't have to be the choice I would make in that situation or even a choice I like, but that it was HER choice.

To me, that's what being pro-choice is all about. It's not always as easy as the slogan would make it sound. While I would never ever have 19 kids or however many that family I think is absolutely CRAZY has, but I respect that it's their choice...even if I think they're crazy for doing it and even though I think it gives their kids worse lives than they could have had without living in a boot camp for a home.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, philosophical question for you then -- if abortion should be legal, then you'd likely be of the mind that it's not really a person per se when it's aborted....so why would you care if women had three? Or six? Or ten, if she clearly has no emotional issue with doing so?

Pehaps personally you think it is or may be a person but realize someone else, in this case the mother, may feel differently and respect her choice more than your own feelings/beliefs and realize that her ultimate decision has nothing to do with you.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Pehaps personally you think it is or may be a person but realize someone else, in this case the mother, may feel differently and respect her choice more than your own feelings/beliefs and realize that her ultimate decision has nothing to do with you.

I'm not so sure I understand this. Brian already said he repects a womans choice, no matter what her choice is, an he respects her choice even if he disagree's with her decison.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm not so sure I understand this. Brian already said he repects a womans choice, no matter what her choice is, an he respects her choice even if he disagree's with her decison.

He was trying to say if you are pro-choice you must believe like he that the unborn fetus is just a mass of cells and thus you'd have no problem with 6 vs. 1 abortion. I'm saying some in fact more than some people believe it's her right to choose but also believe that choice is the lessor of two evils to be avoided in the future. The other side would say an abortion is little more than taking a big crap philosophically. He really isn't very malleable.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He was trying to say if you are pro-choice you must believe like he that the unborn fetus is just a mass of cells and thus you'd have no problem with 6 vs. 1 abortion. I'm saying some in fact more than some people believe it's her right to choose but also believe that choice is the lessor of two evils to be avoided in the future. The other side would say an abortion is little more than taking a big crap philosophically. He really isn't very malleable.

thank you for clearing that up.. and I agree... and I'm sure Brian agree's also. There are probably many different ways of being pro choice.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He was trying to say if you are pro-choice you must believe like he that the unborn fetus is just a mass of cells and thus you'd have no problem with 6 vs. 1 abortion. I'm saying some in fact more than some people believe it's her right to choose but also believe that choice is the lessor of two evils to be avoided in the future. The other side would say an abortion is little more than taking a big crap philosophically. He really isn't very malleable.

I agree totally that there are people like that out there, but was just wondering where Lori stood.

I'm indifferent about lots of things in life, but I'm completely serious and not capable of being moved when it comes to the death penalty, choice, and gay rights.

For me, everything else has at least some grey areas to think about and discuss.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thank you for clearing that up.. and I agree... and I'm sure Brian agree's also. There are probably many different ways of being pro choice.

Completely. I was just pointing out where I stood. I am far more pro-choice than most pro-choicers, and that doesn't really have anything to do with how much I may love/not love abortion itself or exactly where along the lines in a pregnancy I think it becomes increasingly problematic to not consider it a a capable human being. It's just about how seriously pro-choice I am, regardless of how much I agree with those choices.

[dellinger63]

Anyone want to bet these memos don't get released?

Cheney Calls For More CIA Reports To Be Declassified
Mon Apr 20 2009 16:20:53 ET

In a two part interview airing tonight and tomorrow night on FOX News Channel’s Hannity (9-10PM ET), former Vice President Dick Cheney shared his thoughts on the CIA memos that were recently declassified and also revealed his request to the CIA to declassify additional memos that confirm the success of the Bush administration’s interrogation tactics:

CHENEY:

“One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified.”

“I formally asked that they be declassified now. I haven't announced this up until now, I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country.”

“And I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.”

Developing...

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm not so sure I understand this. Brian already said he repects a womans choice, no matter what her choice is, an he respects her choice even if he disagree's with her decison.

or her anatomy?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

or her anatomy?

I'm not sure Brian is into a womans anatomy.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think that should be a murder and a child abuse charge. Women in this day of age fully know what the harm of doing drugs while pregnant are.

Here is more of my laws if I was dictator (B-dub would HATE me)

If you do any drugs/ smoke cigs / smoke pot / drink booze while pregnant you get arrested on Child Abuse and you cannot keep your baby. If the baby dies as a result it would be a murder charge also.

Abortion will be legal.. but to punish women who take advantage of abortion by being sluts and not caring.. just get the baby aborted... I would make the cost of your first abortion be $2,000. Cost of 2nd abortion, $4,000.. 3rd abortion will be $8,000 and so on. I guess it would be impossible to enforce this law. Free abortion in the case of rape/incest.

If you rape someone or molest children.. get your balls and dick chopped off.

Public hangings for convicted 1st degree murderers... I think that would be effective in keeping people from committing premedidated murder.

Gay marriage is legal & pot is legal.


I dont know if anyone would vote for me.

I agree with most of your laws if you are dictator ,except I would have men installed with a pellet or chip of some sort that makes them sterile until over the age of 21 , that way it wouldnt be always all the womans responsibilty to make sure she doesnt get preggo. At the age of 21 the chip could be removed if they so chose or they could keep it in until they found someone they wanted to have a baby with. Because it isnt always the woman who is being the slut , men are whores more often than women , usually its harder to get them to look for something in a womans purse , than it is for them to put their d ick in someone lol.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Honu

I agree with most of your laws if you are dictator ,except I would have men installed with a pellet or chip of some sort that makes them sterile until over the age of 21 , that way it wouldnt be always all the womans responsibilty to make sure she doesnt get preggo. At the age of 21 the chip could be removed if they so chose or they could keep it in until they found someone they wanted to have a baby with. Because it isnt always the woman who is being the slut , men are whores more often than women , usually its harder to get them to look for something in a womans purse , than it is for them to put their d ick in someone lol.

Again, what's not to like about a moody dyke?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Again, what's not to like about a moody dyke?

Not moody , realistic is more like it , just think of all the money ,time and grief that would be saved.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Honu

I agree with most of your laws if you are dictator ,except I would have men installed with a pellet or chip of some sort that makes them sterile until over the age of 21 , that way it wouldnt be always all the womans responsibilty to make sure she doesnt get preggo. At the age of 21 the chip could be removed if they so chose or they could keep it in until they found someone they wanted to have a baby with. Because it isnt always the woman who is being the slut , men are whores more often than women , usually its harder to get them to look for something in a womans purse , than it is for them to put their d ick in someone lol.

I know so many men who would love to have a chip like that!!!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know so many men who would love to have a chip like that!!!

I'd try and get a fake ID

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know if anyone would vote for me.

Of course they would. What's not to like about a moody dyke?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Of course they would. What's not to like about a moody dyke?

even other gay people wouldnt vote for a conservative lesbian.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think that should be a murder and a child abuse charge. Women in this day of age fully know what the harm of doing drugs while pregnant are.

Here is more of my laws if I was dictator (B-dub would HATE me)

If you do any drugs/ smoke cigs / smoke pot / drink booze while pregnant you get arrested on Child Abuse and you cannot keep your baby. If the baby dies as a result it would be a murder charge also.

Abortion will be legal.. but to punish women who take advantage of abortion by being sluts and not caring.. just get the baby aborted... I would make the cost of your first abortion be $2,000. Cost of 2nd abortion, $4,000.. 3rd abortion will be $8,000 and so on. I guess it would be impossible to enforce this law. Free abortion in the case of rape/incest.

If you rape someone or molest children.. get your balls and dick chopped off.

Public hangings for convicted 1st degree murderers... I think that would be effective in keeping people from committing premedidated murder.

Gay marriage is legal & pot is legal.


I dont know if anyone would vote for me.

You have my vote
though I think "Running Man" style show would be more entertaining than hangings.