Hall of Fame selections

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Did they face each other at 3? I don't remember. I remember Silverbulletday beating up on slugs. Excellent Meeting was okay, although she was a non threatening 5th, while beaten 2 lengths in that Derby. She never really did much after that though.

They were kept seperate at age 3. Silverbulletday won 2 out of 3 meetings at age 2.

Silverbulletday won 14 of 16 races through the summer of her 3yo season - including 13 Graded Stakes wins at 8 different racetracks.

She won graded stakes ranging from 5.5 furlongs to a 10 furlong win in the Alabama with a 115 Beyer.

The other of her two early defeats came in the Belmont Stakes .. where she was on the lead for the first 1 1/4 miles in what was a fast paced race. She basically tried badly in the final quarter but ran a very strong race for 10fs.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Serena's Song was better and beat better.

But Serena's Song doesn't have plates that NYRA still tries to give out/sell for the jockey fund

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Serena's Song was better and beat better.

Good call... Serena's Song beat some horses that would have manhandled Silverbulletday...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Good call... Serena's Song beat some horses that would have manhandled Silverbulletday...

Through the summer of her 3yo season?

Like who?

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Through the summer of her 3yo season?

Like who?

Why just through the summer? I'm looking at the entire 3yr old campaign.. not half a year..

Heaveny Prize comes to mind.. Serena's Song also beat males twice as a 3yr old..

[KirisClown]

For anyone that would like to see Serena's Song's career race charts...

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=7...4e75f6e8ebb871

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

DrugS, Silverbulletday was very good. I'm just saying her record is a bit misleading. She was beating up on Dreams Galore. When she faced a good horse in Beautiful pleasure, she lost.

Serena's Song beat Tejano Run in the Jim Beam. And beat a very good Heavenly Prize in the Beldame.

Tejano Run was not exactly a top horse when Serena's Song beat him. He was beaten double digit lengths in the Risen Star stakes by the mighty Beavers Nose in his prior start. And in his subsquent start - he was 3rd to Wild Syn in the Bluegrass ... albeit ahead of Thunder Gulch.

The race she beat Heavenly Prize didn't get a huge figure.

Excellent Meeting was an outstanding 2yo and the stronger part of the favored entry in the Kentucky Derby. Three Ring was also pretty decent - she was 3rd to them in the BC Juvie Fillies.

I'd give Serena's Song an edge in competition beat .. and I'd rate her overall a little better than Silverbulletday ... but Silverbulletday was WITHOUT question a better 2yo - and was atleast as good through the summer of her 3yo season.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race she beat Heavenly Prize didn't get a huge figure.

Excellent Meeting was an outstanding 2yo and the stronger part of the favored entry in the Kentucky Derby. Three Ring was also pretty decent - she was 3rd to them in the BC Juvie Fillies.
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You're being dismissive of Serena's Song beating Heavenly Prize.. then turn around and praise Silverbulletday for facing Three Ring and Excellent Meeting

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

You're being dismissive of Serena's Song beating Heavenly Prize.. then turn around and praise Silverbulletday for facing Three Ring and Excellent Meeting

Heavenly Prize and Lakeway are a great tandem ... my only point was that she beat them when they weren't at their absolute best.

Heavenly Prize and Lakeway at their best are certainly better than EM and TR at their best

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You think Excellent Meeting was a better horse than General Challenge?

Excellent Meeting's last 5 Beyers coming into the Derby were 100-101-108-96-106 ... four straight Graded stakes wins and a half length loss to Silverbulletday.

General Challenge were 93-91-95-95-108 .. he won the Santa Anita Derby in his most recent race - but was beaten by Kimberlite Pipe when 5th in the Louisianna Derby two back.

EM was the stronger part of the entry in my opinion - and she certainly ran the much better race of the two. That's all I said though ... I never said she was a better horse overall.

Excellent Meeting was eased early on in the Preakness at 6/1 next out. Never quite the same after that race.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Serena's Song was better and beat better.

Tale of the Tape:


Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21


Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tale of the Tape:


Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21


Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

Didn't Serena's Song have a more ambitious campaign as a three year old?

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tale of the Tape:


Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21


Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

How about a list of who they beat?

[philcski]

Speaking of Serena's Song, Pletcher is using her unraced 3YO as a workmate for Take the Points.