Hall of Fame selections

KirisClown · #1 04-20-2009, 03:06 PM

Sky Beauty gets brushed aside again...

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 04-20-2009, 03:08 PM

Silverbulletday was better.

KirisClown · #3 04-20-2009, 03:10 PM

I think we had this conversation already...

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 04-20-2009, 03:14 PM

I'm not sure I've ever seen a filly better than Silverbulletday from as a 2-year-old through the summer of her 3-year-old season.

#5 04-20-2009, 04:56 PM

The post in the conversation part of the article is hilarious

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 04-20-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You think DrugS? I remember Silverbulletday beating up on a lot of filth.

Excellent Meeting was beaten just 2 lengths in the Kentucky Derby.

KirisClown · #7 04-20-2009, 03:33 PM

Excellent Meeting gave her a good beating once as a 2yr old..

1998 Del Mar Debutante: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99V8epsucOI

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 04-20-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

Excellent Meeting gave her a good beating once as a 2yr old..

1998 Del Mar Debutante: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99V8epsucOI

That was like her only bad race... but she got hooked up head-to-head in a speed duel with a longshot outside of her through wicked fractions.

Not many fillies who have 21 and change speed and can win races at 5.5fs by double digit lengths can see out 10 furlongs as effective as she could.

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 04-20-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Did they face each other at 3? I don't remember. I remember Silverbulletday beating up on slugs. Excellent Meeting was okay, although she was a non threatening 5th, while beaten 2 lengths in that Derby. She never really did much after that though.

They were kept seperate at age 3. Silverbulletday won 2 out of 3 meetings at age 2.

Silverbulletday won 14 of 16 races through the summer of her 3yo season - including 13 Graded Stakes wins at 8 different racetracks.

She won graded stakes ranging from 5.5 furlongs to a 10 furlong win in the Alabama with a 115 Beyer.

The other of her two early defeats came in the Belmont Stakes .. where she was on the lead for the first 1 1/4 miles in what was a fast paced race. She basically tried badly in the final quarter but ran a very strong race for 10fs.

philcski · #10 04-20-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Serena's Song was better and beat better.

But Serena's Song doesn't have plates that NYRA still tries to give out/sell for the jockey fund

KirisClown · #11 04-20-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Serena's Song was better and beat better.

Good call... Serena's Song beat some horses that would have manhandled Silverbulletday...

The Indomitable DrugS · #12 04-20-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown

Good call... Serena's Song beat some horses that would have manhandled Silverbulletday...

Through the summer of her 3yo season?

Like who?

KirisClown · #13 04-20-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Through the summer of her 3yo season?

Like who?

Why just through the summer? I'm looking at the entire 3yr old campaign.. not half a year..

Heaveny Prize comes to mind.. Serena's Song also beat males twice as a 3yr old..

The Indomitable DrugS · #14 04-20-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

DrugS, Silverbulletday was very good. I'm just saying her record is a bit misleading. She was beating up on Dreams Galore. When she faced a good horse in Beautiful pleasure, she lost.

Serena's Song beat Tejano Run in the Jim Beam. And beat a very good Heavenly Prize in the Beldame.

Tejano Run was not exactly a top horse when Serena's Song beat him. He was beaten double digit lengths in the Risen Star stakes by the mighty Beavers Nose in his prior start. And in his subsquent start - he was 3rd to Wild Syn in the Bluegrass ... albeit ahead of Thunder Gulch.

The race she beat Heavenly Prize didn't get a huge figure.

Excellent Meeting was an outstanding 2yo and the stronger part of the favored entry in the Kentucky Derby. Three Ring was also pretty decent - she was 3rd to them in the BC Juvie Fillies.

I'd give Serena's Song an edge in competition beat .. and I'd rate her overall a little better than Silverbulletday ... but Silverbulletday was WITHOUT question a better 2yo - and was atleast as good through the summer of her 3yo season.

The Indomitable DrugS · #15 04-20-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Serena's Song was better and beat better.

Tale of the Tape:

Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21

Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

10 pnt move up · #16 04-20-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tale of the Tape:

Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21

Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

Didn't Serena's Song have a more ambitious campaign as a three year old?

KirisClown · #17 04-20-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tale of the Tape:

Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21

Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

How about a list of who they beat?

philcski · #18 04-20-2009, 04:31 PM

Speaking of Serena's Song, Pletcher is using her unraced 3YO as a workmate for Take the Points.