Hall of Fame selections

stonegossard · #1 04-20-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=4083623

Baffert, Tiznow, Silverbulletday, Maple lead the list.

Man, it seems like Solis will never get in. At this point it seems Rudy Rodriguez will get in before Solis.

2Hot4TV · #2 04-20-2009, 02:30 PM

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Man, it seems like Solis will never get in. At this point it seems Rudy Rodriguez will get in before Solis.

Solis is a nice person, but he really doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. Now if you had a Hall of Shame we could put him in for his post selection and ride on Brother Derik in the Derby.

stonegossard · #3 04-20-2009, 02:54 PM

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Solis is a nice person, but he really doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. Now if you had a Hall of Shame we could put him in for his post selection and ride on Brother Derik in the Derby.

I think if he won just one Kentucky Derby he would have been in by now. He has won a few BC races, bunch of other Grade I's. I think if Eddie D, McCarron, Kent D (He is in already right ?),Pincay,and Stevens are in, he probably should be in as well.

The only ones from that crew who aren't in are Solis and Pat V. Pval, while deserving on accomlishments, will never get in because he is such a fu#k up off of the track. Now I am not saying Solis is as accomplished as that above group......but he has ridden very comeptitively in what was probably the toughest jock colony to compete against at that time.

It doesnt really make sense to me that Mike Smith is in, and Solis isn't.

KirisClown · #4 04-20-2009, 03:06 PM

Sky Beauty gets brushed aside again...

The Indomitable DrugS · #5 04-20-2009, 03:08 PM

Silverbulletday was better.

KirisClown · #6 04-20-2009, 03:10 PM

I think we had this conversation already...

The Indomitable DrugS · #7 04-20-2009, 03:14 PM

I'm not sure I've ever seen a filly better than Silverbulletday from as a 2-year-old through the summer of her 3-year-old season.

#8 04-20-2009, 04:56 PM

The post in the conversation part of the article is hilarious

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 04-20-2009, 03:18 PM

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You think DrugS? I remember Silverbulletday beating up on a lot of filth.

Excellent Meeting was beaten just 2 lengths in the Kentucky Derby.

KirisClown · #10 04-20-2009, 03:33 PM

Excellent Meeting gave her a good beating once as a 2yr old..

1998 Del Mar Debutante: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99V8epsucOI

The Indomitable DrugS · #11 04-20-2009, 03:34 PM

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Did they face each other at 3? I don't remember. I remember Silverbulletday beating up on slugs. Excellent Meeting was okay, although she was a non threatening 5th, while beaten 2 lengths in that Derby. She never really did much after that though.

They were kept seperate at age 3. Silverbulletday won 2 out of 3 meetings at age 2.

Silverbulletday won 14 of 16 races through the summer of her 3yo season - including 13 Graded Stakes wins at 8 different racetracks.

She won graded stakes ranging from 5.5 furlongs to a 10 furlong win in the Alabama with a 115 Beyer.

The other of her two early defeats came in the Belmont Stakes .. where she was on the lead for the first 1 1/4 miles in what was a fast paced race. She basically tried badly in the final quarter but ran a very strong race for 10fs.

10 pnt move up · #12 04-20-2009, 03:21 PM

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I think you forget what kind of a rider Mike Smith was early to mid 90's in New York. He won basically every major race and rode a lot of champions.

Its not even close in career accomplishments between Solis and Smith when it comes to winning big races, and Mike is younger. I would imagine Mike has won 50 more grade 1 races then Solis, and done it all over the country as well.

stonegossard · #13 04-20-2009, 03:24 PM

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Its not even close in career accomplishments between Solis and Smith when it comes to winning big races, and Mike is younger. I would imagine Mike has won 50 more grade 1 races then Solis, and done it all over the country as well.

I knew I could draw you into this conversation.

stonegossard · #14 04-20-2009, 03:33 PM

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Its not even close in career accomplishments between Solis and Smith when it comes to winning big races, and Mike is younger. I would imagine Mike has won 50 more grade 1 races then Solis, and done it all over the country as well.

But Smith loses all credibility for being on Jockeys and showing the world his relationship with Sutherland. The HOF should kick him out based on that horrible show.

10 pnt move up · #15 04-20-2009, 03:48 PM

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But Smith loses all credibility for being on Jockeys and showing the world his relationship with Sutherland. The HOF should kick him out based on that horrible show.

thats not a bad gig, 6 moths of the year he is with her and the other 6 months he can freelance.

stonegossard · #16 04-20-2009, 03:54 PM

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thats not a bad gig, 6 moths of the year he is with her and the other 6 months he can freelance.

I am not saying it's a bad gig. Going on tv and playing kissy kissy with her twice a week is beyond nauseating though. I mean how many times can we watch Smith and her drinking wine and talking about their relationship.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #17 04-20-2009, 05:52 PM

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Man, it seems like Solis will never get in. At this point it seems Rudy Rodriguez will get in before Solis.

We won't go that far!

Handicappy · #18 04-20-2009, 06:12 PM

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We won't go that far!

I thought it was between Maple and Solis actually. I was concerned that Romero was getting votes for all the accidents and crap he did to himself over the years. I'd read articles in support of Randy and they would devote 3/4ers of the article to all the bones he broke. I am glad Maple got in. I thought folks would have long forgotten him. But look up his name in wikopedia. Very impressive. Now Gomez I think is eligible. Then Johnnie V. Come to think of it we might get to Rudy Rodriguez soon, heck maybe even Maylan Studart might squeeze in there too.

Cannon Shell · #19 04-20-2009, 09:03 PM

The hall of fame is a seriously flawed HOF when compared to other sports. Whether SBD or Sky Beauty is better should be immaterial. They should be compared to the hall of fame standard which both certainly exceed. The process which puts in jockeys that are still riding seems silly especially since virtually every NY or CA jockey eligible with any standing is elected. Not to mention the annual steeplechase elections. The real tests which will likely make induction to the HOF as a horse a virtual travesty is when the Barbaros and Smarty Jones' of the world are put in despite having inferior credentials to virtually everyone else elected in history.

philcski · #20 04-20-2009, 09:37 PM

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The hall of fame is a seriously flawed HOF when compared to other sports. Whether SBD or Sky Beauty is better should be immaterial. They should be compared to the hall of fame standard which both certainly exceed. The process which puts in jockeys that are still riding seems silly especially since virtually every NY or CA jockey eligible with any standing is elected. Not to mention the annual steeplechase elections. The real tests which will likely make induction to the HOF as a horse a virtual travesty is when the Barbaros and Smarty Jones' of the world are put in despite having inferior credentials to virtually everyone else elected in history.

The problem is simple- allowing only 2-3 horses in a year is ridiculous considering there's 30,000 possibilities a year, versus what, 20 new riders and 10 trainers a year that could potentially qualify for the HOF? Just open it up a little to the correct ratios of human to horseflesh and everything will even out.