Syn to Dirt Beyer Converter

[cmorioles]

While I agree moisture has a lot to do with where winners come from (front or back) on synthetics, it has nothing to do with the figures. Even on wet synthetic tracks dominated by frontrunners, the figures come back "tighter" than they do on dirt tracks. I'm not saying this is good or bad, but just the way it is.

One thing I find funny in these discussions is the way some people act like a front runner has never won on turf.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

One thing I find funny in these discussions is the way some people act like a front runner has never won on turf.

Nothing wrong with 'earning' a victory on the front end. I took a quick look at a number of dates at SA and I found at least a few wire jobs on each day. Nothing wrong with that. And, since these aren't match races we're dealing with, nothing wrong with the setup of the race determining the winner.

You really should come over here more often for some engaging exchanges, rather than indulging all those trainers, owners, and yo yo's over at PA. You're just about the only one out there with a clue as to pace.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You're just about the only one out there with a clue as to pace.

You wont be getting a Christmas card from Randy Moss with comments like that.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

You wont be getting a Christmas card from Randy Moss with comments like that.

That is because nobody has figured out how to read his figures yet.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

While I agree moisture has a lot to do with where winners come from (front or back) on synthetics, it has nothing to do with the figures. Even on wet synthetic tracks dominated by frontrunners, the figures come back "tighter" than they do on dirt tracks. I'm not saying this is good or bad, but just the way it is.

Interesting. Thanks for that.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

While I agree moisture has a lot to do with where winners come from (front or back) on synthetics, it has nothing to do with the figures. Even on wet synthetic tracks dominated by frontrunners, the figures come back "tighter" than they do on dirt tracks. I'm not saying this is good or bad, but just the way it is.

One thing I find funny in these discussions is the way some people act like a front runner has never won on turf.

one thing i love to see is a front end theft in a turf route, especially against a tough field. its like a thing of beauty when they pull it off.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

one thing i love to see is a front end theft in a turf route, especially against a tough field. its like a thing of beauty when they pull it off.

I think part of the reason we see less of the front end thefts are jockies of today are not of the same quality we have had in years gone past, Gary Stevens was just about the best rider at doing this, you could always adjust your handicapping accordingly if you foresaw a paceless race with him in a race. You see what some would term as top riders riding at SA right now and you are quickly reminded just how great a rider he truly was.

[rgustafson]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

one thing i love to see is a front end theft in a turf route, especially against a tough field. its like a thing of beauty when they pull it off.

Yes and especially the turf marathons, one and a half miles. There was a big gray horse that Pincay rode years ago out in SoCal. He'd send him right to the front and lope along. Any time a horse came to him, he would just let out another notch. He won quite a few races this way. Can't remember the horses name though.

[joeydb]

Apparently 79 is the break even point: 79 Beyer = 79 Dirt equivalent Beyer. Go lower than that and the dirt numbers are actually lower. I believe this is because the program uses a linear relationship, and 79 is where the two lines intersect.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Apparently 79 is the break even point: 79 Beyer = 79 Dirt equivalent Beyer. Go lower than that and the dirt numbers are actually lower. I believe this is because the program uses a linear relationship, and 79 is where the two lines intersect.

It is actually 80.

[chucklestheclown]

Close enough! Thanks for the info, that's the only true method I've seen yet. Keeneland has a very complicated excel document on poly racing. Has anyone here looked at it?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Close enough! Thanks for the info, that's the only true method I've seen yet. Keeneland has a very complicated excel document on poly racing. Has anyone here looked at it?

i've done some work on it. what do you want to know?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by rgustafson

Yes and especially the turf marathons, one and a half miles. There was a big gray horse that Pincay rode years ago out in SoCal. He'd send him right to the front and lope along. Any time a horse came to him, he would just let out another notch. He won quite a few races this way. Can't remember the horses name though.

Fly Till Dawn?

[rgustafson]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Fly Till Dawn?

Yes!!!! I loved to watch that horse run. The last two starts of his career he won two grade I races wire to wire, the San Luis Rey at a mile and one half and the San Juan Capistrano at a mile and 3/4. On the lead the whole way and widening the margin in the stretch. Valenzuela was up for the San Juan, but Pincay rode him in most of his wins. He was one tough customer. Darrell Vienna trained him. Thanks for jogging my memory