Syn to Dirt Beyer Converter

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Anytime you are Curlin and you lost to Tiag-slow ... you are disgraced.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Anytime you are Curlin and you lost to Tiag-slow ... you are disgraced.

Curlin ran much better than Tiago in the Classic.




Yea it sucked to have the classic on synthetic turf, but it was also a great race with 3 top class race horses, and one of the better betting opportunities betty butter

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Curlin ran much better than Tiago in the Classic.




Yea it sucked to have the classic on synthetic turf, but it was also a great race with 3 top class race horses, and one of the better betting opportunities betty butter

That is abit of an oxymoron.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Anytime you are Curlin and you lost to Tiag-slow ... you are disgraced.

Is the love affair finally over?

[letswastemoney]

Why would you want to convert syn figures to dirt? Wouldn't that be meaningless? You wouldn't do the same for turf figures...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Handicap tracks like Mountaineer and observe all these Woodbine shippers appearing in the cheap races with towering figures and you'll get a better idea why.

Personally ... I ignore speed figures in turf races. I don't even look at them. I don't bet very many races run over synthetic tracks ... but I don't totally ignore figures in synthetic track races because I think the variants can be trusted for both pace and final time.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Personally ... I ignore speed figures in turf races. I don't even look at them. I don't bet very many races run over synthetic tracks ... but I don't totally ignore figures in synthetic track races because I think the variants can be trusted for both pace and final time.

Speed figures were intended for dirt races; in other words, for SIMPLE races. Turf races, and poly, are COMPLICATED. This is quickly proven by looking at charts for races on the different surfaces. If you have a speed favoring, bull ring type of track, then put your speed figures to use.

And, I don't really think there's much difference in the type of artificial surface. I've found it depends more on the number of horses in the race than anything else. So, GG, for example, has relatively SIMPLE races. But they also have very small fields. When the field is larger, result is then typically COMPLEX.

Why anyone would try to compare races over the different surfaces using numeric abstractions, in the case of turf and poly FLAWED ones at that, is beyond me. The race TYPES, the shapes, are typically different for these surfaces. Or, a bit weaker point: they indicate differences in degree, and kind, between the different surfaces.

As for the bolded section: typically POLY's biggest critics don't really seem to be those that actually play these courses regularly.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Why would you want to convert syn figures to dirt? Wouldn't that be meaningless? You wouldn't do the same for turf figures...

The field is too bunched at the end of synthetic races to consistently produce big figures like you see on the dirt so it essentially brings bad horses up and good horses down on the figures. By adjusting for that on the assumption that a beaten length on synthetic is more significant than a beaten length on dirt you can at least get some sort of idea as to whether the synthetic horses would be fast enough to compete if they could replicate their synthetic performance on the dirt. From what the numbers at the start of the thread show, only The Pamplemousse was fast enough so the other synthetic horses will have to actually improve on the dirt to contend.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The field is too bunched at the end of synthetic races to consistently produce big figures like you see on the dirt so it essentially brings bad horses up and good horses down on the figures. By adjusting for that on the assumption that a beaten length on synthetic is more significant than a beaten length on dirt you can at least get some sort of idea as to whether the synthetic horses would be fast enough to compete if they could replicate their synthetic performance on the dirt. From what the numbers at the start of the thread show, only The Pamplemousse was fast enough so the other synthetic horses will have to actually improve on the dirt to contend.

So this is assuming they have the same ability on both surfaces. I was thinking, even if you could convert Woodbine figures for those who are shipping into Mountaineer, isn't it a guess as to whether the Woodbine shipper even likes real dirt?