2/28-3/1 (SA): Sham S. (Gr. III); Baldwin S. (Gr. III)

SniperSB23 · #1 02-26-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Is it wrong to hope The Pamplemousse goes undefeated here and through the Santa Anita Derby and then goes first dirt 10furlongs in the Kentucky Derby?

He's the only Cali horse that I think has any chance on dirt. Don't know about 10 furlongs though.

Pedigree Ann · #2 02-26-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He's the only Cali horse that I think has any chance on dirt. Don't know about 10 furlongs though.

With Kafwain over Rubiano, and from the Piece of Pie family, it's something of a miracle he could win at 8f. Maybe it was the maturity advantage that Kafwain had late at 2 and early in the classic campaign, passed down.

Why do you think he will handle dirt better than Pioneerof the Nile, I Want Revenge, Chocolate Candy, et. al? They are most of them as well dirt-bred as The P. Is it his front-running style? Won't get dirt kicked in his face?

SniperSB23 · #3 02-27-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

With Kafwain over Rubiano, and from the Piece of Pie family, it's something of a miracle he could win at 8f. Maybe it was the maturity advantage that Kafwain had late at 2 and early in the classic campaign, passed down.

Why do you think he will handle dirt better than Pioneerof the Nile, I Want Revenge, Chocolate Candy, et. al? They are most of them as well dirt-bred as The P. Is it his front-running style? Won't get dirt kicked in his face?

Yeah, in large part. Plus that it took him a while to get used to the surface and break his maiden. He doesn't really fit the profile of the typical synthetic specialist who usually takes to the synthetic surface immediately and wins with a late run on the outside. And there's the possibility if the synthetics are hindering him that he could be a nice horse on dirt. Unfortunately, we probably won't find out until Derby Day and at that point the 10 furlongs will be a bigger question mark than the surface so he'd be impossible to play at anything under 25-1.

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 02-28-2009, 06:54 PM

The Pamplemousse ran them off there feet.

ArlJim78 · #5 02-28-2009, 07:03 PM

i really like The Pmousse, he runs like a good one.

nice effort by the Pletcher horse first time synthetic and just off of the plane.
He embarrassed the rest of the SoCal contingent.

smuthg · #6 02-28-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Pamplemousse ran them off there feet.

that was pretty damn impressive... I think he was only hit once.

Bobby Fischer · #7 02-28-2009, 07:43 PM

1 more baby, and he could take something like 8-1 money in the Kentucky Derby...

VOL JACK · #8 02-28-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Pamplemousse ran them off there feet.

I was impressed.. Perhaps because I really liked Take the Points alot in THERE.

Pedigree Ann · #9 03-01-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Pamplemousse ran them off their feet.

He's got an odd stride, doesn't he? Picks his knees up quite high, out of the gate. I've decided to call him 'Citrus Dude', since his real name is too long. Isn't Julio Canani a hoot?

10 pnt move up · #10 03-01-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

He's got an odd stride, doesn't he? Picks his knees up quite high, out of the gate. I've decided to call him 'Citrus Dude', since his real name is too long. Isn't Julio Canani a hoot?

odd stride

horse has maybe the worst action of any serious horse in a while.

Bobby Fischer · #11 03-01-2009, 11:22 AM

VOL JACK · #12 02-28-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

With Kafwain over Rubiano, and from the Piece of Pie family, it's something of a miracle he could win at 8f. Maybe it was the maturity advantage that Kafwain had late at 2 and early in the classic campaign, passed down.

Why do you think he will handle dirt better than Pioneerof the Nile, I Want Revenge, Chocolate Candy, et. al? They are most of them as well dirt-bred as The P. Is it his front-running style? Won't get dirt kicked in his face?

Sweetheart, the Synth Jocks are the ones wearing the Hockey masks.

justindew · #13 03-01-2009, 08:54 AM

I'm terrible at predicting Beyer Speed Figures, but my guess for the TP's Sham is 112.

Travis Stone · #14 03-01-2009, 10:20 AM

I'm guessing the figure has no relevency when it comes to handicapping TP for the Derby.

10 pnt move up · #15 03-01-2009, 10:40 AM

If I here the term "figure" and synthetics when talking about a horses ability again I think I may be sick.........they have no relevancy, none.

You have to be able to understand the way the race was run and then judge the final time, its so extreme that it takes "pace makes the race" to a whole new level. Pace makes the final time is what it does.