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Kasept 02-25-2009 02:42 PM

2/28-3/1 (SA): Sham S. (Gr. III); Baldwin S. (Gr. III)
 
9th (4:38) Sham S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Hi Flyin Indy Quinonez A 116 L
2 Smart Bid Bejarano R 118 L
3 Tiz True Gryder A T 116 L
4 Lifeline Baze T C 116 L
5 The Pamplemousse Solis A 118 L
6 Balfour Park Blanc B 116 Blk-On L
7 Mr. Hot Stuff Nakatani C S 116 L
8 Bourbon Bay Rosario J 116 L
9 Ventana Rios J M 116 Blk-On L
10 Mark S the Cooler Talamo J 116 L
11 Unbridled Roman Smith M E 116 L
12 Take the Points Gomez G K 118



SUNDAY 7th (3:36) Baldwin S. (G3)

About 6 1/2 Furlongs (Downhill turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Beauteous Maximus Solis A 115 L
2 Preemo Rosario J 115 L
3 Brother Keith Gomez G K 115 L
4 Dream of Kaylee Smith M E 115 L
5 Battle of Hastings (GB) Baze T C 115 L
6 Dream Now Flores D R 115 L
7 Flashmans Papers (GB) Bejarano R 119 L
8 Luckiest Man Espinoza V 115 L

Bobby Fischer 02-25-2009 06:19 PM

Is it wrong to hope The Pamplemousse goes undefeated here and through the Santa Anita Derby and then goes first dirt 10furlongs in the Kentucky Derby?

SniperSB23 02-26-2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Is it wrong to hope The Pamplemousse goes undefeated here and through the Santa Anita Derby and then goes first dirt 10furlongs in the Kentucky Derby?

He's the only Cali horse that I think has any chance on dirt. Don't know about 10 furlongs though.

Pedigree Ann 02-26-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
He's the only Cali horse that I think has any chance on dirt. Don't know about 10 furlongs though.

With Kafwain over Rubiano, and from the Piece of Pie family, it's something of a miracle he could win at 8f. Maybe it was the maturity advantage that Kafwain had late at 2 and early in the classic campaign, passed down.

Why do you think he will handle dirt better than Pioneerof the Nile, I Want Revenge, Chocolate Candy, et. al? They are most of them as well dirt-bred as The P. Is it his front-running style? Won't get dirt kicked in his face?

SniperSB23 02-27-2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
With Kafwain over Rubiano, and from the Piece of Pie family, it's something of a miracle he could win at 8f. Maybe it was the maturity advantage that Kafwain had late at 2 and early in the classic campaign, passed down.

Why do you think he will handle dirt better than Pioneerof the Nile, I Want Revenge, Chocolate Candy, et. al? They are most of them as well dirt-bred as The P. Is it his front-running style? Won't get dirt kicked in his face?

Yeah, in large part. Plus that it took him a while to get used to the surface and break his maiden. He doesn't really fit the profile of the typical synthetic specialist who usually takes to the synthetic surface immediately and wins with a late run on the outside. And there's the possibility if the synthetics are hindering him that he could be a nice horse on dirt. Unfortunately, we probably won't find out until Derby Day and at that point the 10 furlongs will be a bigger question mark than the surface so he'd be impossible to play at anything under 25-1.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-28-2009 06:54 PM

The Pamplemousse ran them off there feet.

ArlJim78 02-28-2009 07:03 PM

i really like The Pmousse, he runs like a good one.

nice effort by the Pletcher horse first time synthetic and just off of the plane.
He embarrassed the rest of the SoCal contingent.

smuthg 02-28-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The Pamplemousse ran them off there feet.

that was pretty damn impressive... I think he was only hit once.

Bobby Fischer 02-28-2009 07:43 PM

1 more baby, and he could take something like 8-1 money in the Kentucky Derby...

VOL JACK 02-28-2009 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The Pamplemousse ran them off there feet.

I was impressed.. Perhaps because I really liked Take the Points alot in THERE.

VOL JACK 02-28-2009 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
With Kafwain over Rubiano, and from the Piece of Pie family, it's something of a miracle he could win at 8f. Maybe it was the maturity advantage that Kafwain had late at 2 and early in the classic campaign, passed down.

Why do you think he will handle dirt better than Pioneerof the Nile, I Want Revenge, Chocolate Candy, et. al? They are most of them as well dirt-bred as The P. Is it his front-running style? Won't get dirt kicked in his face?

Sweetheart, the Synth Jocks are the ones wearing the Hockey masks.:confused:

justindew 03-01-2009 08:54 AM

I'm terrible at predicting Beyer Speed Figures, but my guess for the TP's Sham is 112.

Travis Stone 03-01-2009 10:20 AM

I'm guessing the figure has no relevency when it comes to handicapping TP for the Derby.

Pedigree Ann 03-01-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The Pamplemousse ran them off their feet.

He's got an odd stride, doesn't he? Picks his knees up quite high, out of the gate. I've decided to call him 'Citrus Dude', since his real name is too long. Isn't Julio Canani a hoot?

10 pnt move up 03-01-2009 10:40 AM

If I here the term "figure" and synthetics when talking about a horses ability again I think I may be sick.........they have no relevancy, none.

You have to be able to understand the way the race was run and then judge the final time, its so extreme that it takes "pace makes the race" to a whole new level. Pace makes the final time is what it does.

10 pnt move up 03-01-2009 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
He's got an odd stride, doesn't he? Picks his knees up quite high, out of the gate. I've decided to call him 'Citrus Dude', since his real name is too long. Isn't Julio Canani a hoot?

odd stride

horse has maybe the worst action of any serious horse in a while.

Bobby Fischer 03-01-2009 11:22 AM



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