Bobby Jindal's response

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19306.html

This is total bs. i especially like this

But Reid defended the spending, saying that the "government is the only body that has any money" to spend to prop up the sagging economy.

that refrain is getting old already. Spent 780 billion last week, 418 billion this week, plans to spend 634 billion on healthcare.....

30 days.....
closing in on 2 trillion


This is like my wife getting trillion dollar Amex and hitting the mall....spend spend spend till it doesnt work anymore. She then calls the card "broken". The country is going to be broken for sure with these out of touch people like Reid in charge.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Such carrying on. You were in for 8 years. You gave tax breaks to the rich, and started an expensive war that has virtually no payoff for the average American(talk about waste.) Tax breaks for the rich didn't work. You want to have more of them. It won't work. You've got no answers to clean up what you created. Your boy wanted to have people spend their social security on stocks(o.k., that's was an exhibition of stupidity.) We are gunna start regulating the areas of the economy that Chuck's "successful people" looted. Any modern day Democratic Presidential Candidate that can win the state of fkn Indiana is smarter than you. He's smarter than me. He's smarter than any of us. So, keep thinking you know better than somebody this smart, but you don't.

Chuck, people don't particularly care about playing cheap thoroughbred horses(not when they can play better horses .) If ya put them on a card with good horses, then people will tolerate it, but having tracks dedicated to it is a loser. That's why you need slot money to prop it up. Slot money just allows the industry to keep ignoring the fact that the product isn't good enough. We should have fewer tracks, and they should have full fields. If people didn't have a place to run their slow horses, then maybe they'd stop making so many slow horses(one would hope.) Have 12 or 13 races a day (of full fields) at the bigger tracks. There's nothing wrong with a few cheap races, but dedicating whole cards to it isn't the answer. It worked before the internet, and OTB came. Given a choice, not enough people want to spend their money on that crap. That's the honest truth. Turfway, and Delta are crap. Some people like the Mountain, but you don't need very many of those establishments. The product is a minor one. People gunna lose their jobs if they close them? O.K., well, you don't seem too upset when every other kind of worker loses their job. Atleast there's a good reason this time(bad product.)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Such carrying on. You were in for 8 years. You gave tax breaks to the rich, and started an expensive war that has virtually no payoff for the average American(talk about waste.) Tax breaks for the rich didn't work. You want to have more of them. It won't work. You've got no answers to clean up what you created. Your boy wanted to have people spend their social security on stocks(o.k., that's was an exhibition of stupidity.) We are gunna start regulating the areas of the economy that Chuck's "successful people" looted. Any modern day Democratic Presidential Candidate that can win the state of fkn Indiana is smarter than you. He's smarter than me. He's smarter than any of us. So, keep thinking you know better than somebody this smart, but you don't.

Chuck, people don't particularly care about playing cheap thoroughbred horses(not when they can play better horses .) If ya put them on a card with good horses, then people will tolerate it, but having tracks dedicated to it is a loser. That's why you need slot money to prop it up. Slot money just allows the industry to keep ignoring the fact that the product isn't good enough. We should have fewer tracks, and they should have full fields. If people didn't have a place to run their slow horses, then maybe they'd stop making so many slow horses(one would hope.) Have 12 or 13 races a day (of full fields) at the bigger tracks. There's nothing wrong with a few cheap races, but dedicating whole cards to it isn't the answer. It worked before the internet, and OTB came. Given a choice, not enough people want to spend their money on that crap. That's the honest truth. Turfway, and Delta are crap. Some people like the Mountain, but you don't need very many of those establishments. The product is a minor one. People gunna lose their jobs if they close them? O.K., well, you don't seem too upset when every other kind of worker loses their job. Atleast there's a good reason this time(bad product.)

replacing bad ideas with bad ideas won't change a thing or make things better. obama says he is concernced about a deficit gone wild, so he signs tons more spending, but he's going to cut the deficit in four years time? yeah, dream on. he says he's going to cut war spending, but whoever he takes from iraq is going to afganistan, so what decreases will result from that?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

replacing bad ideas with bad ideas won't change a thing or make things better. obama says he is concernced about a deficit gone wild, so he signs tons more spending, but he's going to cut the deficit in four years time? yeah, dream on. he says he's going to cut war spending, but whoever he takes from iraq is going to afganistan, so what decreases will result from that?

Well, hold him to it. So far, he has done what he said he would do. Our military seems pretty useless at catching the guy we went to Afghanistan to get. We have to stop setting up house in these s-h-i-t-hole Muslim Countries. There's always a cultural/ religious situation that can't be fixed. We can't nation build in an area of the world that doesn't want Democracy. If you have a definite goal to accomplish, then do it. This setting up house bullsht is not solving anything. We need to put our money into keeping this scum out of the U.S. The toughest thing this guy promised to do is to recognize the Armenian Genocide. That may be the promise he can't keep. You see how almost all those Turks survived that jet crash? Un huh....Hard-headed folks. Any amount of pressure they can put on this guy will be used. These are opportunistic people in a very important tactical location(that's how they can be so good at making sure there never is a good time to get this done.)

[Smooth Operator]

Tough for cons to deal with the fact that their guy, Capt. Bush, drove the bandwagon straight into the Grand Canyon.


Will almost certainly go down as one of the worst presidents in history ... as some of us predicted back in 2000.




Hilarious watching cons lash out, tho.


Like they're trapped in a corner...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Such carrying on. You were in for 8 years. You gave tax breaks to the rich, and started an expensive war that has virtually no payoff for the average American(talk about waste.) Tax breaks for the rich didn't work. You want to have more of them. It won't work. You've got no answers to clean up what you created. Your boy wanted to have people spend their social security on stocks(o.k., that's was an exhibition of stupidity.) We are gunna start regulating the areas of the economy that Chuck's "successful people" looted. Any modern day Democratic Presidential Candidate that can win the state of fkn Indiana is smarter than you. He's smarter than me. He's smarter than any of us. So, keep thinking you know better than somebody this smart, but you don't.

Chuck, people don't particularly care about playing cheap thoroughbred horses(not when they can play better horses .) If ya put them on a card with good horses, then people will tolerate it, but having tracks dedicated to it is a loser. That's why you need slot money to prop it up. Slot money just allows the industry to keep ignoring the fact that the product isn't good enough. We should have fewer tracks, and they should have full fields. If people didn't have a place to run their slow horses, then maybe they'd stop making so many slow horses(one would hope.) Have 12 or 13 races a day (of full fields) at the bigger tracks. There's nothing wrong with a few cheap races, but dedicating whole cards to it isn't the answer. It worked before the internet, and OTB came. Given a choice, not enough people want to spend their money on that crap. That's the honest truth. Turfway, and Delta are crap. Some people like the Mountain, but you don't need very many of those establishments. The product is a minor one. People gunna lose their jobs if they close them? O.K., well, you don't seem too upset when every other kind of worker loses their job. Atleast there's a good reason this time(bad product.)

Tax breaks for the Rich has always worked. It has paid for many of the govt services that you obviously need like mental health clinics and the substance abuse programs that you may need to consider.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Tax breaks for the Rich has always worked.

You do realize that supply-side economics have proven time after time to be an abject failure....right?

[gales0678]

chuck - i tihnk the dems could have put up jimmy carter or anyone else last year and they would have won

the media pounded on bush for 8 yrs and balmed him for everything

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck - i tihnk the dems could have put up jimmy carter or anyone else last year and they would have won

the media pounded on bush for 8 yrs and balmed him for everything

they did... just a tanner version.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You do realize that supply-side economics have proven time after time to be an abject failure....right?

That is not true. Higher taxes and bigger govt have proven time after time to be false prophets.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Tax breaks for the Rich has always worked.

Originally Posted by miraja2

You do realize that supply-side economics have proven time after time to be an abject failure....right?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is not true. Higher taxes and bigger govt have proven time after time to be false prophets.

ANd the above pretty much illustrates major diff. between economists
as well. Nobody knows for sure what and will not work in situations
like we are in now. We look back for examples that are similar our current
situation.... we find the great depression in the 30's, and a number of others.
But today is still unique. The interconnected nature of the World's economy
is quite novel compared to the past (30's included). Many countries
with all degrees of free market models are suffering.

What is clear is no one knows for sure what needs to be done.
YOu have people who say do nothing. You have people saying
we are not spending enough. You have people saying there is
some happy medium(that is of course never found because this
has now become the refuge of so many politicians, they all have
their own unique medium) This stimulus/spending... prochoice/prolife
blah blah blah (choose a name that makes it feel rightfor you) is another example of big bogus conflicts because there is
clearly NOT a right answer. After the fact there will be many
I told you so's.

WE are in an experimentation mode.


My take trying to understand this mess.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19306.html

This is total bs. i especially like this

But Reid defended the spending, saying that the "government is the only body that has any money" to spend to prop up the sagging economy.

that refrain is getting old already. Spent 780 billion last week, 418 billion this week, plans to spend 634 billion on healthcare.....

30 days.....
closing in on 2 trillion


This is like my wife getting trillion dollar Amex and hitting the mall....spend spend spend till it doesnt work anymore. She then calls the card "broken". The country is going to be broken for sure with these out of touch people like Reid in charge.

You're the one who's badly out of touch. Tracks like Turfway need to close, and trying to keep a bad product going just keeps showing everyone that the industry wants to prop up a bad product by getting money from slot players. You don't want to pay taxes to the GOV'T, but you sure want to GOV'T to get money from slots players to pay purses for bad races. I don't have any great love for slot players, but the TURFWAY type product s-u-c-k-s, and you shouldn't blame politicians for being tired of these tracks not providing their own purses. Maybe they don't want to prop this crap up using money from people that have no interest in horseracing. Run at larger tracks, and fill up the damn card. All these large tracks should have big fields like many of the races at Gulfstream have. You like stuff that works efficiently, and without waste. Well, that's not TURFWAY. It's not making enough to pay good purses, because the racing s-u-c-k-s there(bad product.) Race at the premier tracks(even if it's in cheap races there.) The industry is hurt by all these crappy tracks cutting field size at the premier tracks. The answer is to have more cheap races written at big tracks, and run larger fields there. There shouldn't be small fields at our premier tracks. That's a disgraceful embarassment in American Racing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You're the one who's badly out of touch. Tracks like Turfway need to close, and trying to keep a bad product going just keeps showing everyone that the industry wants to prop up a bad product by getting money from slot players. You don't want to pay taxes to the GOV'T, but you sure want to GOV'T to get money from slots players to pay purses for bad races. I don't have any great love for slot players, but the TURFWAY type product s-u-c-k-s, and you shouldn't blame politicians for being tired of these tracks not providing their own purses. Maybe they don't want to prop this crap up using money from people that have no interest in horseracing. Run at larger tracks, and fill up the damn card. All these large tracks should have big fields like many of the races at Gulfstream have. You like stuff that works efficiently, and without waste. Well, that's not TURFWAY. It's not making enough to pay good purses, because the racing s-u-c-k-s there(bad product.) Race at the premier tracks(even if it's in cheap races there.) The industry is hurt by all these crappy tracks cutting field size at the premier tracks. The answer is to have more cheap races written at big tracks, and run larger fields there. There shouldn't be small fields at our premier tracks. That's a disgraceful embarassment in American Racing.

The best part of slogging through your analogy is that you pretty much just made my point for me. The democratic ideal would be to pour money into saving the tracks that "need saving".

The govt doesnt "get money from the slot players to give to Turfway". It is simply another form of gambling that should be allowed at places that already have gambling. We have subsidies in most businesses, why not the gambling business? Horseracing has been overtaxed for so long that it simply cant keep up because of the overtaxation. If the govt would simply slash the billions of dollars it takes from tracks and its players each year we wouldnt need slots to compete. But keep on smoking the stuff you are smoking.