Beyer pens post script after sit-down with Wolfson

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

you're being so stupid I'm almost getting a headache.

In that '07-to- present sample - Lukas is 3-for-77 with first time starters and his ROI is $1.70 - he's a 15% loser (which is the win pool takeout) even with the one 49/1 shot winner included.

And why in the name of God would anyone mention Lukas' name in this thread? No one with an IQ above 50 has ever accused him of being a trainer with an edge.

If you want to think that guys ROI's improve sharply because they're getting better stock - your stupidity is your problem.

1 more for u drugs

how bout runnig Dutrow's %'s for this GP meet run the win % and roi

then run a second set of numbers and and take out this one's for phil from the numbers

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

1 more for u drugs

how bout runnig Dutrow's %'s for this GP meet run the win % and roi

then run a second set of numbers and and take out this one's for phil from the numbers

Dutrow's lifetime record at Gulfstream Park prior to this yeas meet:

65-for-276 ($1.57 ROI)

Dutrow's record at GP this year:

7-for-36 ($1.71 ROI)


Yes, by taking away a 12/1 shot winner he trained as if it never happened .. you could push him below his avg mark. Who in the hell cares about an ROI when the sample size is just 36 races??? This is almost getting as dumb as bringing DWL's name into a thread about magical trainers.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Dutrow's lifetime record at Gulfstream Park prior to this yeas meet:

65-for-276 ($1.57 ROI)

Dutrow's record at GP this year:

7-for-36 ($1.71 ROI)


Yes, by taking away a 12/1 shot winner he trained as if it never happened .. you could push him below his avg mark. Who in the hell cares about an ROI when the sample size is just 36 races??? This is almost getting as dumb as bringing DWL's name into a thread about magical trainers.

so why the big stink by beyer about dutrow in the origal drf piece and then no follow up on him only on wolfson - can't andy explain that dutrow is having a meet that matches his lifetime record at GP as a follow up piece?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

so why the big stink by beyer about dutrow in the origal drf piece

For starters ... the guy has won 3 different Breeders Cup races in the last 4 years with horses he moved way up.

Here's Silver Train: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/silvertrain.pdf (7th beaten 13+ lengths in an N1X allowance in his final start before going to Dutrow. Less than 8 months later he wins the Breeders Cup Sprint.)

Here's Saint Liam: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/saintliam.pdf (6th by 7.75 lengths in an N2X alw in his final start pre Dutrow. He magically transforms into the 2005 Horse of the Year after a Breeders Cup Classic win as the favorite.

Here's Kip Deville: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/kipdeville.pdf (In his first start for Dutrow Jr. - he opens up a 15 length lead in a 14 horse field - getting his first six furlongs in an insane 1:08 3/5 going 9.5 furlongs! He stays on for 2nd at 28/1 odds. Future Breeders Cup Mile winner. 2nd in the '08 Mile as well)

Oh yeah, I'm going to assume Beyer made a big stink about Dutrow in the "origal" piece because a toad named This One's For Phil ran unexplainably fast in his first start for Dutrow.

I know he's employed and all now ... but can someone please page BTW and tell him to come by again and mock me for answering all your questions.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For starters ... the guy has won 3 different Breeders Cup races in the last 4 years with horses he moved way up.

Here's Silver Train: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/silvertrain.pdf (7th beaten 13+ lengths in an N1X allowance in his final start before going to Dutrow. Less than 8 months later he wins the Breeders Cup Sprint.)

Here's Saint Liam: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/saintliam.pdf (6th by 7.75 lengths in an N2X alw in his final start pre Dutrow. He magically transforms into the 2005 Horse of the Year after a Breeders Cup Classic win as the favorite.

Here's Kip Deville: http://www.drf.com/row/pps/kipdeville.pdf (In his first start for Dutrow Jr. - he opens up a 15 length lead in a 14 horse field - getting his first six furlongs in an insane 1:08 3/5 going 9.5 furlongs! He stays on for 2nd at 28/1 odds. Future Breeders Cup Mile winner. 2nd in the '08 Mile as well)

Oh yeah, I'm going to assume Beyer made a big stink about Dutrow in the "origal" piece because a toad named This One's For Phil ran unexplainably fast in his first start for Dutrow.

I know he's employed and all now ... but can someone please page BTW and tell him to come by again and mock me for answering all your questions.

take a look at this years GP races show me out of the 36 races where there are multiple abnormal results

[gales0678]

How bout the other trainers at GP who have a higher % than dutrow this meet?


Angel Penna is 36% , what is his all time % at Gp , shouldn't there be an article about him as well?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

How bout the other trainers at GP who have a higher % than dutrow this meet?


Angel Penna is 36% , what is his all time % at Gp , shouldn't there be an article about him as well?

what is your point Marty?

Do you think Dutrow is clean and all his move ups are easily explained?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what is your point Marty?

Do you think Dutrow is clean and all his move ups are easily explained?

i don't know if he is clean or not , i don't know if any trainers are clean or not


but why no mention of how he is having a meet that is by no means any different than he has had in the past?