Rahm on Tape with Blago?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sure, it's a big story. Almost as big as the current Vice-President of the United States admitting he authorized torture.

The RNC has been extremely (laughably) vocal, trying desperately to somehow tie Obama to Blago's poor ethics and questionable activities (so far, all they have is both their names on the same page of newsprint)

When the prosecutor, Fitzgerald, goes out of his way to disavow Obama as being involved (in the ethics/legal problem), I believe him. Not Hannity, not Sneed

Obama never said "his people" had no contact, he said, "I" had no contact, which is true. Axlerod was the one that said no contact, with Emanuel having had contact. The Obama team then said right away that yes, members of the respective staffs have had contact.

Casting stones at Cheney is ridiculous when comparing stories. Obama IS tied to Blago regardless of whether he did anything right or wrong. Why it is that every negative story about Democrats and the people questioning them supposedly is created by RNC and conservative talk show hosts? Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and it was a Republican gov from Texas and George Bush? The lefties would be storming the Fox news studios and throwing themselves off of buildings.

In my view the rush to defend Obama without the whole story being told is worse than questioning possible connections. And the semantics of what person on his staff actually spoke to Blago is a technical way to wiggle out of the statement that he had no contact with Blago. If Rahm had contact then Obama had contact.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/b...18good.article

[hi_im_god]

chuck-

rush to defend obama from what? pointing out that no one has accused anyone from the incoming admin of wrongdoing isn't jumping the gun before evidence is presented. it's just saying out loud that those spinning otherwise are running around with no clothes on.

and it's not the left. it's the 80% of the country that isn't hard right. you guys are still just talking amongst yourselves. no one else is worried about this because we've heard fitzpatrick quote blago cursing out the president elect because he wouldn't offer anything.

we all know republican's are scrambling for an identity after the election. i suppose supermarket tabloid is an actual option if that's where they want to go.

[Antitrust32]

I wish more republicans were like John McCain...

[Riot]

Obama IS tied to Blago regardless of whether he did anything right or wrong.

Yes, it was Obama's senate seat. Anything else?

Why it is that every negative story about Democrats and the people questioning them supposedly is created by RNC and conservative talk show hosts?

I'm not talking about every negative story, I'm talking about this one. Look at what the RNC did here:

The afternoon of Fitzgeralds' announcement, right after Fitzgerald said Obama wasn't under scrutiny, right after he cautioned the press about "not casting aspersions", and he quoted Blago absolving Obama of playing the payoff game - the RNC put out a ridiculous internet ad implying Obama committed illegal activity.

That's the ad that even had GOP members calling out the RNC and demanding the ad be taken down immediately.

And there certainly were some conservative (and non-conservative) talk show hosts that picked up that RNC football and kept running with it (Hannity, O'Reilly)

In my view the rush to defend Obama without the whole story being told is worse than questioning possible connections.

It's not rushing to defend someone by pointing out he prosecutor didn't find him doing anything wrong, and that even the accused said Obama didn't play the illegal activity game

And the semantics of what person on his staff actually spoke to Blago is a technical way to wiggle out of the statement that he had no contact with Blago. If Rahm had contact then Obama had contact.

Obama said he had no contact with Blago. True. Obama never said his staff had no contact - Axelrod said that, and right after he said that (wrong), Obama came out and said that wasn't true.

And again, Obama earlier this week wanted to release all the conversations his office has had with Blago's office, and the prosecutor asked him not to.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/b...18good.article

That article says:

"There was no indication from sources that Emanuel brokered a deal, however."

"Emanuel, who has refused to comment on the issue, is not accused of wrongdoing."

"In portions of conversations released in a criminal complaint against Blagojevich, he can be heard complaining that Obama wouldn't give anything in return for a Jarrett appointment."

As I said, if something changes regarding Obama's involvement, wake me up.

[Honu]

Mr Obama , would never know anything about anyone who ever did anything wrong , ever . He would never know anything about any of his staff ever doing anything wrong with anybody who did something wrong. Geez its pretty simple.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Honu

Mr Obama , would never know anything about anyone who ever did anything wrong , ever . He would never know anything about any of his staff ever doing anything wrong with anybody who did something wrong. Geez its pretty simple.

i'm all in.

do you want to show your cards?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, it was Obama's senate seat. Anything else?



"In portions of conversations released in a criminal complaint against Blagojevich, he can be heard complaining that Obama wouldn't give anything in return for a Jarrett appointment."

As I said, if something changes regarding Obama's involvement, wake me up.

The article also says...
"A source with the Obama camp strongly denied Emanuel spoke with the governor directly about the seat, saying Emanuel only spoke with Blagojevich once recently to say he was taking the chief of staff post.

But sources with knowledge of the investigation said Blagojevich told his aides about the calls with Emanuel and sometimes gave them directions afterward. Sources said that early on, Emanuel pushed for the appointment of Jarrett to the governor and his staff and asked that it be done by a certain date.

At least some of the conversations between Emanuel and Blagojevich were likely caught on tape, sources said."

Bury your head in the sand on this but this IS a story because Obama IS the President and he IS connected with this entire mess. Not to mention his people DID lie initially about their involvment and when the president elects staff lies about something it makes me wonder why exactly they did so. Perhaps they were just covering their tracks and figured deny, deny, deny, until they were told that they had tapes with their guys where then Obama made the call to correct the "mistake". Like I said before imagine the reaction from the media if the Republicans were the crooked party.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

chuck-

rush to defend obama from what? pointing out that no one has accused anyone from the incoming admin of wrongdoing isn't jumping the gun before evidence is presented. it's just saying out loud that those spinning otherwise are running around with no clothes on.

and it's not the left. it's the 80% of the country that isn't hard right. you guys are still just talking amongst yourselves. no one else is worried about this because we've heard fitzpatrick quote blago cursing out the president elect because he wouldn't offer anything.

we all know republican's are scrambling for an identity after the election. i suppose supermarket tabloid is an actual option if that's where they want to go.

Why isnt this story fair game? No one said that Obama did anything wrong but there are unnamed people still deeply involved and there is a good chance that some of them may be on Obama's staff. Republicans arent involved in this story, it is 100% crooked Democrats. I believe that Riot's blanket defense of Obama and implication that the RNC is making this out to be a bigger story than it should be is either partisan or naive. The media has treated Obama with kid gloves on this yet the ridiclous assertion that Republicans are somehow to blame for the news coverage baffles me. Hell for all we know it may have been Rahm or someone on Obama's staff that worked with the Feds on nabbing Blago. But despite all the unknown details it is all the republicans fault. Priceless.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why isnt this story fair game? No one said that Obama did anything wrong but there are unnamed people still deeply involved and there is a good chance that some of them may be on Obama's staff. Republicans arent involved in this story, it is 100% crooked Democrats. I believe that Riot's blanket defense of Obama and implication that the RNC is making this out to be a bigger story than it should be is either partisan or naive. The media has treated Obama with kid gloves on this yet the ridiclous assertion that Republicans are somehow to blame for the news coverage baffles me. Hell for all we know it may have been Rahm or someone on Obama's staff that worked with the Feds on nabbing Blago. But despite all the unknown details it is all the republicans fault. Priceless.

it's fair game if that's what you want.

i'm not one to tell another player to fold a losing hand.

maybe this plays out. maybe it's the tip of the obama corruption iceberg. play on. let's see where it leads.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why isnt this story fair game? No one said that Obama did anything wrong but there are unnamed people still deeply involved and there is a good chance that some of them may be on Obama's staff. Republicans arent involved in this story, it is 100% crooked Democrats. I believe that Riot's blanket defense of Obama and implication that the RNC is making this out to be a bigger story than it should be is either partisan or naive. The media has treated Obama with kid gloves on this yet the ridiclous assertion that Republicans are somehow to blame for the news coverage baffles me. Hell for all we know it may have been Rahm or someone on Obama's staff that worked with the Feds on nabbing Blago. But despite all the unknown details it is all the republicans fault. Priceless.

Well..Illinois had 37 years of Right wing Guvs and 3 are/were in jail....guess we led by example.

The rush by the right to make sure that justice is done here and that no one Obama is involved with has done anything wrong is exemplary. But...where the F*ck have you been the last 8 years?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well..Illinois had 37 years of Right wing Guvs and 3 are/were in jail....guess we led by example.

The rush by the right to make sure that justice is done here and that no one Obama is involved with has done anything wrong is exemplary. But...where the F*ck have you been the last 8 years?

screw that tactic. louisiana has a history of corruption and a republican governor. by implication bobby jindal is clearly guilty of republican corruption.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

screw that tactic. louisiana has a history of corruption and a republican governor. by implication bobby jindal is clearly guilty of republican corruption.

Nice argument.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well..Illinois had 37 years of Right wing Guvs and 3 are/were in jail....guess we led by example.

The rush by the right to make sure that justice is done here and that no one Obama is involved with has done anything wrong is exemplary. But...where the F*ck have you been the last 8 years?

Boy you guys on the left are awful touchy considering you have control of everything. Maybe you prefer the underdog role? Let me ask once again. If the roles were reversed do you not think that the media and DNC wouldn't be going totally apeshit over this? The Republicans aren't to blame here. Politicians are big boys and Obama and his minions are going to learn the hard way that he is going to be the number one target from now on. You can only blame Bush for so much and so long.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Boy you guys on the left are awful touchy considering you have control of everything. Maybe you prefer the underdog role? Let me ask once again. If the roles were reversed do you not think that the media and DNC wouldn't be going totally apeshit over this? The Republicans aren't to blame here. Politicians are big boys and Obama and his minions are going to learn the hard way that he is going to be the number one target from now on. You can only blame Bush for so much and so long.

give us at least until he's out of office.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Boy you guys on the left are awful touchy considering you have control of everything. Maybe you prefer the underdog role? Let me ask once again. If the roles were reversed do you not think that the media and DNC wouldn't be going totally apeshit over this? The Republicans aren't to blame here. Politicians are big boys and Obama and his minions are going to learn the hard way that he is going to be the number one target from now on. You can only blame Bush for so much and so long.

It's not the blaming Bush..It's the holding Bush to the same standards that "you" now put on Obama. Because of 9/11, Bush got a free pass to, in my mind, do a lot worse things that Blago did, and certainly worse that anyone has tried to connect Obama to. Where's the outrage...where are Dellinger's daily links, where is the rush to justice that all of a sudden you guys all feel is your civic duty?