Joel Rosario

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This truly is the thread that keeps on giving. Let's take a look at the respective horses PP's.

Since arriving to the US, Obrigado as a 3 year old.

3rd in grade 3 Will Rogers
5th in grade 3 Cinema
Won listed Oceanside
2nd in Grade 2 Del mar Derby
2nd in Grade 2 Oak Tree Derby
2nd in Grade 1 Hollywood Derby

As a 4 year old

3rd in Grade 2 San Marcos
Won grade 2 San Luis Obispo (beating that rat On The Acorn)
13th in Grade 1 Dubai Sheems Classic
3rd in Grade 1 Charlie Whittingham
5th in Grade 2 Northern Dancer
7th in grade 2 Del mar handicap
2nd in an Allowance race
4th in grade 1 Hollywood turf Cup, beaten 5 3/4 by Champs Elysees
As a 5 year old

3rd in San Marcos, beaten 1 1/4 by Champs Elysees
5th in Grade 2 San Luis Rey followed by layoff until November
3rd in an allownace race



Champs Elysees

As a 4 year old

2nd in Grade 1 Hollywood Turf Cup (Not beating Obrigado by 20 lengths)
1st in Grade 2 San Marcos (Beating Obrigado by just shy of 20 lengths, like 18 lengths short)
3rd in Grade 1 Snata Anita Handicap
2nd in Grade 2 Jim Murray (To that rat On The Acorn at 2-5)
6th in grade 1 Charlie Whittingham (at 4-5)
6th in Grade 1 United nations (at 6-5)
1st in grade 1 northern Dancer
3rd in grade 1 Canadian International
8th in Grade 1 BC Classic


Now, anyone can see that Champs Elysees has faced better horses. However, it's not as though he's been real competive with true Grade 1 company. Is he 20 lengths better on class? Absolutely not. In my opinion it's about 3-4 lengths. Which, coincidentally is about what Dala thought obrigado lost going outside instead of in. Hmmmm.....

I am starting to feel bad about ripping on this Dala person. It's like picking on someone after they get off of the short bus at school each day.