9/13 (MTH): $500k Monmouth S.

[ateamstupid]

Can't wait for Silver Tree's old ass to dust Pig Brown.

[Fearless Leader]

What are the odds Big Brown will be scratched because it is unlikely he can handle horses of this caliber. if they thought they were going to get a field full of goats to roll over for him they are mistaken. Finally, he has a field of legitimate stakes caliber opponents. Reality is going to be brutal.

[King Glorious]

I'm curious about the weights. The condition book says "older 124 lbs, 3yo's 120 lbs." Is the old scale of weights that the Jockey Club used to have still in use? I know that when they run the BC, in the Classic and Turf, 3yo's get a five pound allowance from older horses when the BC is run in October and four pounds when it's in November. They are only getting four pounds here?

Nevermind. Just found the scale and it says at 8f, 3yo's get four pounds in September and at 10f, they get five. So it seems that four is just about right.

[eajinabi]

Why instead of running on Turf, why not put him in a race run on Poly to see if he runs good/bad on it. Why till the Classic to find out?

[ninetoone]

Why ruin a great built-in excuse?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Why instead of running on Turf, why not put him in a race run on Poly to see if he runs good/bad on it. Why till the Classic to find out?

Unless the poly race they put him in is the Goodwood, maybe they are thinking that racing on junk somewhere else won't be an indicator of how he'd do at SA. Sort of like why would a prep at Arlington tell someone how their horse will like Saratoga?

[ninetoone]

Proudinsky

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Proudinsky

He has issues. . .

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Unless the poly race they put him in is the Goodwood, maybe they are thinking that racing on junk somewhere else won't be an indicator of how he'd do at SA. Sort of like why would a prep at Arlington tell someone how their horse will like Saratoga?

If they think that then its stupid. What is running on Turf going to give him unless they go for BC Turf. If they are eyeing the Classic then go for a poly type surface. Run him at turfway for Kentucky Cup. Turfway and SA are simmilar type surface as far as polytrack is concerned.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

If they think that then its stupid. What is running on Turf going to give him unless they go for BC Turf. If they are eyeing the Classic then go for a poly type surface. Run him at turfway for Kentucky Cup. Turfway and SA are simmilar type surface as far as polytrack is concerned.

That's the point. No surface is going to prepare him for exactly what he's going to run on in the Classic. So, with the issues he has with his feet, they are looking for an easier surface to run on than dirt. Where have you heard that Turfway and SA are similar? As far as I know, they've never run a single race on this stuff so how can anyone know this?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

. Run him at turfway for Kentucky Cup. Turfway and SA are simmilar type surface as far as polytrack is concerned.

Turfway has a Polytrack surface tuned for its winter meet so that it will not freeze. Santa Anita has a new Pro-Ride track about which we know nothing yet. How can you say they are similar? Are you medium who can foretell the future?

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm curious about the weights. The condition book says "older 124 lbs, 3yo's 120 lbs."

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Looks like IEAH screwed up a bit when writing the conditions of the race, whatever they may be. Gaging from the weights, it looks like Brown got no concession because of his G1 wins, although not on the turf, while G2T winners got 3 pounds, and others got 5.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Can't wait for Silver Tree's old ass to dust Pig Brown.

I'm just curious, why do you make reference to the "Pig" remark with this horse? He has won 6 of 7 races that he entered? Clearly he has a more impressive resume than 99.9% of his competitors over the past several years. So what does that make those horses in your eyes? Pretty harsh and unfair I'd say.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Unfair is touting a horse like Big Brown as some sort of superstar when you have admitted that you have no knowledge of the game prior to a few years ago. The game has changed for the worse and some remember when there were actually good horses, that didn't run by appointment. Look, his resume is impressive. Winning the Derby like he did was a super feat, but when you take a step back and put it into perspective, then you see it for what it was.

Very well put.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Unfair is touting a horse like Big Brown as some sort of superstar when you have admitted that you have no knowledge of the game prior to a few years ago. The game has changed for the worse and some remember when there were actually good horses, that didn't run by appointment. Look, his resume is impressive. Winning the Derby like he did was a super feat, but when you take a step back and put it into perspective, then you see it for what it was.

Probably last five years is the majority of my knowledge. But I have done some research of horses in the past. I am fascinated by Alydar (even though Affirmed beat him all those times).

Touting Big Brown as a superstar is a stretch but he has had a great year. I never put him in the same mix as some of the greatest horses. I just feel like many don't give this horse the credit he is deserving of based on his record.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Touting Big Brown as a superstar is a stretch but he has had a great year. I never put him in the same mix as some of the greatest horses. I just feel like many don't give this horse the credit he is deserving of based on his record.

Actually he gets way too much credit based on his record as opposed to his actual on track performance.

He's a very good horse. There used to be plenty better than him every year.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually he gets way too much credit based on his record as opposed to his actual on track performance.

He's a very good horse. There used to be plenty better than him every year.

You may be right but I always see the arguments on here about hypothetical match ups, and they always get poo pooed. So how can anyone say for sure that Big Brown would have gotten dusted by Smarty Jones or Afleet Alex etc.?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

You may be right but I always see the arguments on here about hypothetical match ups, and they always get poo pooed. So how can anyone say for sure that Big Brown would have gotten dusted by Smarty Jones or Afleet Alex etc.?

Because we saw those horses run and we've seen Big Brown run. Not to belittle you at all but you have to have more than five years of perspective to really see these things in a historical context.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Because we saw those horses run and we've seen Big Brown run. Not to belittle you at all but you have to have more than five years of perspective to really see these things in a historical context.

True but I don't really make historical comments. Only within my bandwidth. I'm sure I'll know more a year from now and a year after that, etc. We all have to start somewhere.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Can't wait for Silver Tree's old ass to dust Pig Brown.

....come on....where is the n.y forBIG brown