Dutrow running one off 2 days rest

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Chuck, Is there a rule that the track/stewards have that they could have enfored not letting him run the horse? Or because it is Dutrow and Monmouth wants him to have a stable there, they pretty much let him do what he wants?

The tracks have to look at this situation. I know that someone will come out and say that it is their horse, they can run him whenever they want, etc. But this almost never works out well. It is a bad situation for bettors also. Were the pp's from Fridays race in the form? Regardless of whether or not the horse breaks down, there needs to be some kind of standard. If the pp's cant make it into the form, the horse should not be allowed to run.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The tracks have to look at this situation. I know that someone will come out and say that it is their horse, they can run him whenever they want, etc. But this almost never works out well. It is a bad situation for bettors also. Were the pp's from Fridays race in the form? Regardless of whether or not the horse breaks down, there needs to be some kind of standard. If the pp's cant make it into the form, the horse should not be allowed to run.

PPs were in DRF, except there was no BSF for the race. I'm not sure what the reporting period is for DRF's trainer stats, but they indicate that this was the 50th horse that Dutrow has run on 1-7 days' rest during that period; he does this quite a bit.

[ELA]

Chuck, you are 1000% right. Something does need to be done about this. This is deplorable. I don't care that the rules might not specifically speak to this. Even without that, I would think it is not outside the scope of the state racing commission, and/or another body to call Dutrow in and speak to him about this and the outcome.

Eric

[Norfolk]

Originally Posted by ELA

Chuck, you are 1000% right. Something does need to be done about this. This is deplorable. I don't care that the rules might not specifically speak to this. Even without that, I would think it is not outside the scope of the state racing commission, and/or another body to call Dutrow in and speak to him about this and the outcome.

Eric

Eric
You are right and this is just going to give PETA and all the others haters something new to talk about.
Joe

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ELA

Chuck, you are 1000% right. Something does need to be done about this. This is deplorable. I don't care that the rules might not specifically speak to this. Even without that, I would think it is not outside the scope of the state racing commission, and/or another body to call Dutrow in and speak to him about this and the outcome.

Eric

Eric if you take down Dutrow you have to go for the VET'S license as well IMO.. Don't make the CFO the fall guy when he asked the CEO for permission in advance. BTW the Chairman of the Board, the owner, needs to be examined as well..

[ELA]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Eric if you take down Dutrow you have to go for the VET'S license as well IMO.. Don't make the CFO the fall guy when he asked the CEO for permission in advance. BTW the Chairman of the Board, the owner, needs to be examined as well..

If you are talking about the State Vet, yes, I agree. Unfortunately, there is little that can be done under the current system. I've been at the barn when the State Vet comes to look over the horse. The current system is broken. OTOH, this won't be a priority because it's rare that something like this happens.

As far as the owner -- same ol' same ol'. Many people don't tend to look at the landscape from the owners perspective. Hold owners accountable for what you can. If they hire a trainer, delegate the day to day, what are you going to do here in a case like this -- haul the owner into court? Not under the current system. Everyone will be looking to pass the buck.

Under a redesigned system, I want to see how this could be structured. This is a dangerous and slippery slope. Make the owner ultimately responsible for everything and this game will fall into a more rapid decline than we see today.

Eric

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by ELA

If you are talking about the State Vet, yes, I agree. Unfortunately, there is little that can be done under the current system. I've been at the barn when the State Vet comes to look over the horse. The current system is broken. OTOH, this won't be a priority because it's rare that something like this happens.

As far as the owner -- same ol' same ol'. Many people don't tend to look at the landscape from the owners perspective. Hold owners accountable for what you can. If they hire a trainer, delegate the day to day, what are you going to do here in a case like this -- haul the owner into court? Not under the current system. Everyone will be looking to pass the buck.

Under a redesigned system, I want to see how this could be structured. This is a dangerous and slippery slope. Make the owner ultimately responsible for everything and this game will fall into a more rapid decline than we see today.

Eric

I agree with the issues you pose. But do you honestly think the owners (Jay Em Ess) will make Dutrow accountable in any meaningful way for this incident? I won't be holding my breath.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I agree with the issues you pose. But do you honestly think the owners (Jay Em Ess) will make Dutrow accountable in any meaningful way for this incident? I won't be holding my breath.

I wasn't talking about the owner holding the trainer accountable. While that might be one side, it's the other side that can turn out to be something many did not expect. You've got politicians, well known leaders of commerce and industry, high profile business leaders, and so on. If you are going to make this business dangerous to them, they will look to insulate themselves in any way, shape or form they can -- and for some, leaving the business will be the result. Sure, exceptions and norms. But you will see many drastic negative ramifications.

Owners certainly do need to hold trainers accountable. I've had trainers race back horses quicker than the norm -- one week (once) and two weeks (a few times). I questioned the trainer. I asked what I thought were the right questions. But I didn't go down there an inspect the horse myself, nor did I look for an independent second opinion from a vet. How much can and should we as owners do? It's the slippery slope.

Eric