Dutrow running one off 2 days rest

[Cannon Shell]

Personally this bothers me a lot more than any of his other issues. If you run a horse back off of one days rest and it breaks down you should take 100% of the blame. Being reckless with the life of the horse is unforgivable. This is a disgrace.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Personally this bothers me a lot more than any of his other issues. If you run a horse back off of one days rest and it breaks down you should take 100% of the blame. Being reckless with the life of the horse is unforgivable. This is a disgrace.

Would seem the one thing you would most want to make sure doesn't happen. That's why I am surprised he ran back on a hard(fast) speed favoring surface like that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Would seem the one thing you would most want to make sure doesn't happen. That's why I am surprised he ran back on a hard(fast) speed favoring surface like that.

The surface is immaterial. Surfaces take a whole lot more blame than they should because they cant argue back. 95% of breakdowns has nothing to do with surface.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Would seem the one thing you would most want to make sure doesn't happen. That's why I am surprised he ran back on a hard(fast) speed favoring surface like that.

Do you really think he cares? I personally think he knew that the horse had holes in him and tried to pass him on to someone else. No one bit and I am guessing the poor horse had to be put down. But I guess that there will be no mention of this between the Grade 1 and the posible pending suspention. But Contessa is the jerkoff. The whole thing just sucks.

[herkhorse]

WTF, when are these guys going to be held responsible? All they ever seem to get is a slap on the wrist.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

WTF, when are these guys going to be held responsible? All they ever seem to get is a slap on the wrist.

Nothing will happen. Nothing happens because as the Bid says, Dutrow has the magic wand and the owners lust after that. The horses, fans, game, rules be damned. I usually try let people understand the other side of the coin, from a trainers point of view. A lot of times there is outrage over things that simply arent as big of a deal as they are made out to be. Sometimes things are misinterpreted. But this is wrong on so many levels. Letting horses run back on 1 days rest is a questionable practice by the tracks/stewards. But ultimately the trainer and owner is responsible for the horses well being. This situation is really hard to reason away. A guy hitting a horse in the face caused an unbelievably negative response. This is so much worse than that...

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nothing will happen. Nothing happens because as the Bid says, Dutrow has the magic wand and the owners lust after that. The horses, fans, game, rules be damned. I usually try let people understand the other side of the coin, from a trainers point of view. A lot of times there is outrage over things that simply arent as big of a deal as they are made out to be. Sometimes things are misinterpreted. But this is wrong on so many levels. Letting horses run back on 1 days rest is a questionable practice by the tracks/stewards. But ultimately the trainer and owner is responsible for the horses well being. This situation is really hard to reason away. A guy hitting a horse in the face caused an unbelievably negative response. This is so much worse than that...

Chuck, Is there a rule that the track/stewards have that they could have enfored not letting him run the horse? Or because it is Dutrow and Monmouth wants him to have a stable there, they pretty much let him do what he wants?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Chuck, Is there a rule that the track/stewards have that they could have enfored not letting him run the horse? Or because it is Dutrow and Monmouth wants him to have a stable there, they pretty much let him do what he wants?

The tracks have to look at this situation. I know that someone will come out and say that it is their horse, they can run him whenever they want, etc. But this almost never works out well. It is a bad situation for bettors also. Were the pp's from Fridays race in the form? Regardless of whether or not the horse breaks down, there needs to be some kind of standard. If the pp's cant make it into the form, the horse should not be allowed to run.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The tracks have to look at this situation. I know that someone will come out and say that it is their horse, they can run him whenever they want, etc. But this almost never works out well. It is a bad situation for bettors also. Were the pp's from Fridays race in the form? Regardless of whether or not the horse breaks down, there needs to be some kind of standard. If the pp's cant make it into the form, the horse should not be allowed to run.

PPs were in DRF, except there was no BSF for the race. I'm not sure what the reporting period is for DRF's trainer stats, but they indicate that this was the 50th horse that Dutrow has run on 1-7 days' rest during that period; he does this quite a bit.

[ELA]

Chuck, you are 1000% right. Something does need to be done about this. This is deplorable. I don't care that the rules might not specifically speak to this. Even without that, I would think it is not outside the scope of the state racing commission, and/or another body to call Dutrow in and speak to him about this and the outcome.

Eric

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Personally this bothers me a lot more than any of his other issues. If you run a horse back off of one days rest and it breaks down you should take 100% of the blame. Being reckless with the life of the horse is unforgivable. This is a disgrace.

If Jeremy Rose got 6 months for essentially "animal abuse," as the Delaware Park stewards called it, what was this? Of course, hard to do something when the State Vet presumably OK'd the horse to race.

[parsixfarms]

Let's not forget that Dutrow is the same trainer who ran Golden Man in stakes on consecutive days at Monmouth and Delaware a few years ago. That horse was never the same afterwards.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Let's not forget that Dutrow is the same trainer who ran Golden Man in stakes on consecutive days at Monmouth and Delaware a few years ago. That horse was never the same afterwards.

Consecutive days? Wow..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Let's not forget that Dutrow is the same trainer who ran Golden Man in stakes on consecutive days at Monmouth and Delaware a few years ago. That horse was never the same afterwards.

Respectfully Golden Man is still a horse that runs often and is making people money.. He has run a lot more then horses who have been given 90 days to recover from minor injury's..I am not defending Dutrow but your example is actually a declaration of why not as suppose to why?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Respectfully Golden Man is still a horse that runs often and is making people money.. He has run a lot more then horses who have been given 90 days to recover from minor injury's..I am not defending Dutrow but your example is actually a declaration of why not as suppose to why?

Actually, he was an up-and-coming 3YO at the time that Dutrow pulled that well-publicized stunt. He was never close to being the same horse afterwards. What is he now, a $10K claimer?

[10 pnt move up]

I am all for running horses more often then the current barns do, but two days rest is not fair IMO to the horse.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Actually, he was an up-and-coming 3YO at the time that Dutrow pulled that well-publicized stunt. He was never close to being the same horse afterwards. What is he now, a $10K claimer?

He was a juice horse then and most likely now and he is sound and races all the time STILL

[saratoga guy]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Actually, he was an up-and-coming 3YO at the time that Dutrow pulled that well-publicized stunt. He was never close to being the same horse afterwards. What is he now, a $10K claimer?

I think you're overstating the case.

Dutrow claimed Golden Man in Jan 2005 for $60K. The previous September the horse was running for $12.5K.

Subsequent to the claim the horse won a NW1 and then was an OK -- albeit distant (12 lengths) -- third in the Peter Pan.

Then he ran his back-to-back races.

So it's kind of hard to make the argument that he was a real up-and-comer in the 3YO ranks that summer.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by saratoga guy

I think you're overstating the case.

Dutrow claimed Golden Man in Jan 2005 for $60K. The previous September the horse was running for $12.5K.

Subsequent to the claim the horse won a NW1 and then was an OK -- albeit distant (12 lengths) -- third in the Peter Pan.

Then he ran his back-to-back races.

So it's kind of hard to make the argument that he was a real up-and-comer in the 3YO ranks that summer.

def. agree with that, i would never say Golden Man was a up and comer.... i remember when he ran him in those races, i forget where though... i want to say deleware for sure and maybe monmouth

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by saratoga guy

I think you're overstating the case.

Dutrow claimed Golden Man in Jan 2005 for $60K. The previous September the horse was running for $12.5K.

Subsequent to the claim the horse won a NW1 and then was an OK -- albeit distant (12 lengths) -- third in the Peter Pan.

Then he ran his back-to-back races.

So it's kind of hard to make the argument that he was a real up-and-comer in the 3YO ranks that summer.

Actually, he caught my attention that year because we owned a Suave Prospect that we had privately purchased from Farnsworth Farms. They had a ton of horses, so the tag he ran for was kind of irrelevant. They ran Imperialism for $25K as a 2YO.

In Golden Man's first race off the claim, he won a NW1X allowance score at Gulfstream, in very fast time. He was super impressive in that race, defeating subsequent Lexington Stakes winner Coin Silver. Then his owners at the time (Sandy Goldfarb and Michael Dubb) supplemented Golden Man to the Preakness for $100,000, but he was excluded from the race when it oversubscribed (Giacomo didn't scare anyone off). He ran third in the Peter Pan, where he was only 5-1 in the wagering. The rest, as they say, is history ...