6/28 (HOL): Gold Cup Day (4 stakes)

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I thought the Goodwood was on regular dirt.

Just to clarify, then, you were wrong.

And yet winning the SA Derby over King of the Roxy and Sam P. makes him a good dirt horse? Isn't it just as likely that Heatseeker (by synthetic sire extraordinaire Giant's Causeway) regressed in the Oaklawn Handicap, thus getting nipped by this 2nd rate horse that he normally has 3 or 4 lengths on?

Or did he have valid excuses in the Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic, his other important dirt races?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Just to clarify, then, you were wrong.

And yet winning the SA Derby over King of the Roxy and Sam P. makes him a good dirt horse? Isn't it just as likely that Heatseeker (by synthetic sire extraordinaire Giant's Causeway) regressed in the Oaklawn Handicap, thus getting nipped by this 2nd rate horse that he normally has 3 or 4 lengths on?

Or did he have valid excuses in the Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic, his other important dirt races?

Well he did have valid excuses. He was facing Curlin, Rags to Riches, Street Sense, and Hard Spun.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Just to clarify, then, you were wrong.

And yet winning the SA Derby over King of the Roxy and Sam P. makes him a good dirt horse? Isn't it just as likely that Heatseeker (by synthetic sire extraordinaire Giant's Causeway) regressed in the Oaklawn Handicap, thus getting nipped by this 2nd rate horse that he normally has 3 or 4 lengths on?

Or did he have valid excuses in the Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic, his other important dirt races?

Believe me, there is no way in the world that I would ever try to make an argument for Tiago being a good horse. I don't think he is. But I do, however, believe that he's shown himself to be much better on real dirt than on synthetics.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Believe me, there is no way in the world that I would ever try to make an argument for Tiago being a good horse. I don't think he is. But I do, however, believe that he's shown himself to be much better on real dirt than on synthetics.

I don't know that its that cut and dry, though I admit I haven't poured over his PPs lately, so maybe I'm missing something found inbetween the lines. Seems 2nd rate on both and definitely seems to lose any sort of stretch punch further than 9f. If I give him credit for anything, its that he can handle either surface with equal mediocrity (his sire could run on anything--but could also see out 10f).

Eventually that lugging in towards the rail habit is going to catch up with him soon, too.