Does Curlin like Pro-Ride ?

cowgirlintexas · #1 06-24-2008, 08:11 AM

I'm guessing that we don't see Curlin at the Breeders Cup...or alot of others that we'd like to see go just beacause of the track. Starting this year the Breeders Cup will never be the same because of surface changes from one place to the next.

miraja2 · #2 06-24-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

I'm guessing that we don't see Curlin at the Breeders Cup...or alot of others that we'd like to see go.

Speak for yourself.
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I for one certainly hope that Curlin does NOT go to the Breeders' Cup. I would love it if the top horse in the country opted to skip a stupid and pointless race like the BC Classic. The Breeders' Cup was a terrible idea to begin with, and every year it gets a little more desultory.
The more horses that skip it the better.

geeker2 · #3 06-24-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Speak for yourself.
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I for one certainly hope that Curlin does NOT go to the Breeders' Cup. I would love it if the top horse in the country opted to skip a stupid and pointless race like the BC Classic. The Breeders' Cup was a terrible idea to begin with, and every year it gets a little more desultory.
The more horses that skip it the better.

I must say I have attended several BC's over the years and have found it to be a very fun experience and after all isn't that what's all about?

Whether you get the very best in every race, every year who cares....and if you are an owner and have a chance to run for a $$$ million plus..sign me up!

miraja2 · #4 06-24-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

I must say I have attended several BC's over the years and have found it to be a very fun experience and after all isn't that what's all about?

Whether you get the very best in every race, every year who cares....and if you are an owner and have a chance to run for a $$$ million plus..sign me up!

I have been to two BCs recently myself ('05 and '06). Did I have a good time? Sure. But that doesn't mean it is a good thing for the sport.
If they changed the college football season from 12 games to 30....would I go to some of the other games? Yes. Would I enjoy myself at those games? Probably. Does that automatically mean that it would be good for the sport to make that change? I think not.

geeker2 · #5 06-24-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

I have been to two BCs recently myself ('05 and '06). Did I have a good time? Sure. But that doesn't mean it is a good thing for the sport.
If they changed the college football season from 12 games to 30....would I go to some of the other games? Yes. Would I enjoy myself at those games? Probably. Does that automatically mean that it would be good for the sport to make that change? I think not.

Not sure I understand your argument...but all I know is I have been notified that I have seats for this years BC and I will be there...along with the Travers at Saratoga and opening day at Del Mar and I will be enjoying every minute and not really worrying about what might or might not be good for the sport..for if I am participating and enjoying ...it can't be a bad thing for me or the sport.

cowgirlintexas · #6 06-24-2008, 05:49 PM

It will be interesting to see what horses don't go because of the track their using.. The ones that don't run well on poly will most likely skip it and therefor may not be as competitive of races...

letswastemoney · #7 06-24-2008, 05:52 PM

If Curlin goes in the BC Classic, you can make a lot of money going with Heatseeker on top instead since I feel they should be about equal on that surface.

Cannon Shell · #8 06-24-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

It will be interesting to see what horses don't go because of the track their using.. The ones that don't run well on poly will most likely skip it and therefor may not be as competitive of races...

Name one horse outside of Curlin that may skip the race because of the surface that really matters?

ArlJim78 · #9 06-24-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

It will be interesting to see what horses don't go because of the track their using.. The ones that don't run well on poly will most likely skip it and therefor may not be as competitive of races...

i don't think that anyone will not go because of the track, and i don't believe that the surface is the reason that Curlin is not going.

Cannon Shell · #10 06-24-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Speak for yourself.
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I for one certainly hope that Curlin does NOT go to the Breeders' Cup. I would love it if the top horse in the country opted to skip a stupid and pointless race like the BC Classic. The Breeders' Cup was a terrible idea to begin with, and every year it gets a little more desultory.
The more horses that skip it the better.

It may be pointless but it is a $5 milllion dollar race.

miraja2 · #11 06-24-2008, 12:57 PM

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it is a $5 milllion dollar race.

Exactly. That is why I will think it is so great if it ends up being horses like Go Between and Student Council locked in a battle for a purse of that size.

I would love it if the Breeders' Cup somehow became about as important to the racing year as the Sunshine Millions is right now. While I am well aware of the fact that it will never actually happen that way, I have to admit to taking some level of delight in watching the Breeders' Cup REALLY self-destruct over the last few years. Curlin skipping it would be one more thing I could delight in.

Cannon Shell · #12 06-24-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Exactly. That is why I will think it is so great if it ends up being horses like Go Between and Student Council locked in a battle for a purse of that size.

I would love it if the Breeders' Cup somehow became about as important to the racing year as the Sunshine Millions is right now. While I am well aware of the fact that it will never actually happen that way, I have to admit to taking some level of delight in watching the Breeders' Cup REALLY self-destruct over the last few years. Curlin skipping it would be one more thing I could delight in.

We may agree that the BC has hurt much of the fall schedule but the BC is making lots of money, therefore it is not really self destructing. We may not like what they are doing but they are figuring out that corporate =

and fans are fickle.

freddymo · #13 06-24-2008, 07:32 PM

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It may be pointless but it is a $5 milllion dollar race.

I think I am going to keep this in mind if I get lucky...3 million plus plus to win a race and its pointless... You know what the race is not pointless can never be pointless and its pointless to suggest that it makes no point to have your horse win it..

Are you kidding me!!! The fn reason why you are in the game is exactly to win such a race...miraja2 if your point is to suggest that the sport didn't need such a race and that it weaked a lot of great historic races value such as the JCC and other special G1's then I agree.. The race is here and there is nothing that could or would make ANY owner happier then to WIN.. There is only one KD and one ARC other then those special races what could be the POINT?

richard burch · #14 06-24-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Speak for yourself.
I know I'm in the minority on this one, but I for one certainly hope that Curlin does NOT go to the Breeders' Cup. I would love it if the top horse in the country opted to skip a stupid and pointless race like the BC Classic. The Breeders' Cup was a terrible idea to begin with, and every year it gets a little more desultory.
The more horses that skip it the better.

invasor beating bernardini wasn't exciting?

are you sure we are talking about the same race?

cowgirlintexas · #15 06-24-2008, 11:19 PM

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invasor beating bernardini wasn't exciting?

are you sure we are talking about the same race?

No kidding! IMO,some of the best races in racing history have happened at the Breeder's Cup.. It's like "my Christmas" every year on Breeders Cup day. I usually take the day off from work and sit on my couch all damn day watching T.V and betting

geeker2 · #16 06-24-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

No kidding! IMO,some of the best races in racing history have happened at the Breeder's Cup.. It's like "my Christmas" every year on Breeders Cup day. I usually take the day off from work and sit on my couch all damn day watching T.V and betting

And just think this year you can do it two days in a row!

miraja2 · #17 06-25-2008, 12:07 AM

There have certainly been some exciting races in the history of the Breeders' Cup. I never said there weren't.
However, simply pointing to that fact and saying that it serves as sufficient evidence that the Breeders' Cup is good for racing is one of the most poorly constructed arguments I could possibly imagine. In fact, it is such an absurdly illogical argument that it seriously makes me miss King Glorious. At least he put some genuine effort into making arguments with which I strenuously disagreed.

In the end though, this argument is pointless. As far as I am concerned, it is an absolute fact that the Breeders' Cup has been bad for the sport. But who cares? There is no realistic chance that the Breeders' Cup is going to disappear any time in the forseeable future no matter how much I might wish for it. Instead it is actually spreading like a virus. Debating it is like talking about whether or not the NBA should eliminate the 3-point line. It isn't ever going to happen, so what is really the point?

geeker2 · #18 06-25-2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

There have certainly been some exciting races in the history of the Breeders' Cup. I never said there weren't.
However, simply pointing to that fact and saying that it serves as sufficient evidence that the Breeders' Cup is good for racing is one of the most poorly constructed arguments I could possibly imagine. In fact, it is such an absurdly illogical argument that it seriously makes me miss King Glorious. At least he put some genuine effort into making arguments with which I strenuously disagreed.

In the end though, this argument is pointless. As far as I am concerned, it is an absolute fact that the Breeders' Cup has been bad for the sport. But who cares? There is no realistic chance that the Breeders' Cup is going to disappear any time in the forseeable future no matter how much I might wish for it. Instead it is actually spreading like a virus. Debating it is like talking about whether or not the NBA should eliminate the 3-point line. It isn't ever going to happen, so what is really the point?

MIRAJA let's say you were my doctor and you told me the following:

Look geeker if you don't stop chasing women, drinking, smoking and gambling or you are going to suffer health and financinal problems.

You know what I would do..because this is the crux of your argument.

get a new doctor....

Also, I think you are saying that it is your opinion that the BC is bad for racing - because you can't say it is a fact. Now if you expounded on your opinion as to why you think it was bad - then you would be constructing an argument to support your opinion, but it will still not be a fact.

Don't mix fact with opinion - only Morty can do that.

favoritetrick · #19 06-24-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

I'm guessing that we don't see Curlin at the Breeders Cup...or alot of others that we'd like to see go just beacause of the track. Starting this year the Breeders Cup will never be the same because of surface changes from one place to the next.

JMO, I'm thinking that it really depends on what happens the rest of the year, and who exactly shows up. Does Big Brown ever race or win again? Does Heatseaker win the Hollywood Gold Cup and continue on to the Pacific Classic, all the while maintaining his peak form that began early this year. Does Pyro win the Haskell and Travers and take over as top 3 year-old heading into the Classic? Do we have another horse like Daaher who emerges during the summer at Saratoga? What surface do we see Einstein on next?

If there is a compelling reason to be at Santa Anita the last weekend in October, he'll be there. But as of now, a switch to the turf and a date in France at the Arc is a fantastic target race.