Larry Jones gets first drug positive ever

[Riot]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

As I read the articles, they don't seem to be disputing that the horse had an excessive amount of clenbuterol in his system; rather, they seem only to be questioning how it got there.

I think it must be a high positive, because the owner is so vocal. But Jones is asking for the retest, so maybe only borderline?

There was a trainer in the past year or two, who appealed a drug charge, had the sample retested, then suddenly the charge were dropped and the jurisdiction refused to talk about the result of the retest? Anyone remember this situation?

[prudery]

I would wait until the final test is in ... Jones does have a quarter of a century of cleanliness ..

OT a bit, but I remember a horse back in the 60's that came back positive for bute ... The trainer swore up and down nothing was administered to the horse so vociferously, and then tests came back just as loud positive, that someone got creative and quarantined and monitered this horse ... Still positive ...

Turned out the horse was manufacturing a substance that mimicked bute all by himself ... Very weird ... The horse's name was Star Ice, and I believe he was banned from racing because of this ...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by prudery

I would wait until the final test is in ... Jones does have a quarter of a century of cleanliness ...

I don't really care what his supposed record is. He gets form reversals on horses at all class levels that make him look shady to me. Because the reversals come with horses he's had all along - it doesn't get the same reaction that it would if the reversals came 1st off a claim or with a 1st time trainer switch.

An overage is overage. It's like when you are driving on the highway and you try to drive as fast as you can without driving fast enough to get picked up.

In some places the cops tend to let you can get away with more than others. In some situations you can have a guy pass you going 100 mph and you speed up 10 mph because you know if they get anyone - it will be the other guy first.

However, you're playing with fire...and sooner or late you'll get caught. It may take many years - but it will happen.

To me - the overage isn't a big deal - my opinion has already been formed by seeing enough of the guys horses.

The big deal here (at least to me anyway) is you have an owner who wants to make this out to be a case of sabotage!

[prudery]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't really care what his supposed record is. He gets form reversals on horses at all class levels that make him look shady to me. Because the reversals come with horses he's had all along - it doesn't get the same reaction that it would if the reversals came 1st off a claim or with a 1st time trainer switch.

An overage is overage. It's like when you are driving on the highway and you try to drive as fast as you can without driving fast enough to get picked up.

In some places the cops tend to let you can get away with more than others. In some situations you can have a guy pass you going 100 mph and you speed up 10 mph because you know if they get anyone - it will be the other guy first.

However, you're playing with fire...and sooner or late you'll get caught. It may take many years - but it will happen.

To me - the overage isn't a big deal - my opinion has already been formed by seeing enough of the guys horses.

The big deal here (at least to me anyway) is you have an owner who wants to make this out to be a case of sabotage!

Agreed--an overage is just that ... But as far as the form flip flops, can you consider that in 25 years with these dramatic improvements he still comes clean ??? Or are you suggesting he is that good ...

The guy used Clenbuterol--basically a brochodilator if I am not mistaken ...Legal stuff in legal proportions ... Nothing has been released about how much over the overrages are ... If they were minor, could that said horse suddenly inhale the competition ???

Admittedly, I have not followed the Jones profile like you have ... But I would prefer to wait out the subsequent testing although you make a case, as do those who see his record compared to other more busted trainers, and make a case for a misshap or even a frame job ...

I do agree that the owner was a bit florid in his denial, but the timing ...

[Bobby Fischer]

wheres the fatman when you actually need a cycling analogy?

I think more than half of competitive cyclists claim to suffer from exercise related asthma, so that they can take a certain amount of bronchodilator.

they probably know all the good masking agents too.

[Thunder Gulch]

The worst part of this is now the major media outlets have free reign to splash news of a failed drug test for a horse by Eight Belles trainer.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

The worst part of this is now the major media outlets have free reign to splash news of a failed drug test for a horse by Eight Belles trainer.

well, why not? it all happened. if racing doesn't want this kind of black eye, they should have taken steps long ago to keep it from happening--rather than smacking wrists and writing inconsequential fines.