Larry Jones gets first drug positive ever

[Bobby Fischer]

these people love what I say.

[freddymo]

Everybody cheats Dahoss... Everybody except the trainers who have no budget and limited brains.. If they didn't all cheat none of them would ever win.. Sad but true... The issues are who has the new stuff that is undetectable and costs thousands because it is so exclusive. The stuff Jerkins is using or stuff that Pletcher is looking for, its a sad state when the best trainers are the folks with the best connections, not with the best skills.

[Oaklawnfan]

I just hope things work out. He has been a real boost to the Oaklawn meet. I know many of you don't even recognize that but Larry has made a real difference for us fans. Eight Belles, may she RIP, was something to watch. He has broght a lot to the table and I hope things work out for him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Oaklawnfan

I just hope things work out. He has been a real boost to the Oaklawn meet. I know many of you don't even recognize that but Larry has made a real difference for us fans. Eight Belles, may she RIP, was something to watch. He has broght a lot to the table and I hope things work out for him.

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

Cheaters make sure its impossible to develop a industry.. You can't bet, you can't own, and you can't be a fan other then that I have nothing against juicers.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Cheaters make sure its impossible to develop a industry.. You can't bet, you can't own, and you can't be a fan other then that I have nothing against juicers.

Exactly.

[Oaklawnfan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

That's not where I was going.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The horse was no better than 5th in each of his first three career starts before coming to Delaware.

PETA is very clever. It's hard to get a price on a Jones runner at Delaware when he's winning at a 45% clip and in the exacta at a 75% clip - very well executed coup and great job picking the right horse for it.

I had my doubts about that group - but they obviously know how to make em win! They would have got away with it scott free if that pesky owner hadn't been so sharp to unravel it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Oaklawnfan

That's not where I was going.

I'm confused.....you think that if someone is cheating they are helping the fans?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

you think that jerkins is cheating.. today the seas parted and he got a break....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused.....you think that if someone is cheating they are helping the fans?

i was confused as to how larry jones helped oaklawn at all, cheating or not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

There is no such thing as due process when these guys don't face the possibility of prison.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

What am I missing? His horse tested positive for a drug overage....coincidentally after running a remarkably improved race. Are you suggesting the test was incorrect?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What am I missing? His horse tested positive for a drug overage....coincidentally after running a remarkably improved race. Are you suggesting the test was incorrect?

but larry jones wears a white cowboy hat, surely he's one of the good guys?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What am I missing? His horse tested positive for a drug overage....coincidentally after running a remarkably improved race. Are you suggesting the test was incorrect?

The positive hasn't yet been confirmed.

Yes, tests can be incorrect. The racing jurisdictions know it, as the procedure for split sample testing to eliminate laboratory error as a cause for a positive, and as confirmation of a positive, is built into the system.

The only reason the public knows of this positive is because the owner decided to talk about it.

The track reps refused to talk about it with the press, as the case is still pending and the positive hasn't been confirmed - which if/when it is, will then lead to a hearing, and then to a decision by the part of the racing jurisdiction as to guilt or innocence.

I personally will wait until he's found guilty before calling Larry Jones a cheater.

But you go right ahead.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

Without offering an opinion on the specifics of this case, why does it always seem that we are more concerned about the "due process" rights of the cheaters than the honest horsemen that they are putting out of the business?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Without offering an opinion on the specifics of this case, why does it always seem that we are more concerned about the "due process" rights of the cheaters than the honest horsemen that they are putting out of the business?

While I totally agree with this....I would also like to mention the honest horseplayers that are also being put out of business. Cheating is a disgustingly self-centered activity that is destroying this game.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

But really though. He could be the greatest guy in the world, but as of right now he's a cheater. Being nice doesn't excuse his cheating.

this is true.