Larry Jones gets first drug positive ever

[Riot]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I am a proud member of PETA and have Pamela and her assets pinned up next to Easy Goer and Sunday Silience's Preakness in my office

PETA and the Humane Society of the United States will be arm wrestling over who will be running horse racing next year, as they - and Reps. Whitfield and Schakowsky - care more about the horses than any trainers or owners.

I wonder what PETA will do about horses thoughtlessly wearing those fur coats in public?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Riot

PETA and the Humane Society of the United States will be arm wrestling over who will be running horse racing next year, as they - and Reps. Whitfield and Schakowsky - care more about the horses than any trainers or owners.

I wonder what PETA will do about horses thoughtlessly wearing those fur coats in public?

I haave had positives my whole life and a negative ROI on horses

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What does this have to do with his positive?

Absolutely nothing.

[Bobby Fischer]

these people love what I say.

[freddymo]

Everybody cheats Dahoss... Everybody except the trainers who have no budget and limited brains.. If they didn't all cheat none of them would ever win.. Sad but true... The issues are who has the new stuff that is undetectable and costs thousands because it is so exclusive. The stuff Jerkins is using or stuff that Pletcher is looking for, its a sad state when the best trainers are the folks with the best connections, not with the best skills.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

But really though. He could be the greatest guy in the world, but as of right now he's a cheater. Being nice doesn't excuse his cheating.

this is true.

[Oaklawnfan]

I just hope things work out. He has been a real boost to the Oaklawn meet. I know many of you don't even recognize that but Larry has made a real difference for us fans. Eight Belles, may she RIP, was something to watch. He has broght a lot to the table and I hope things work out for him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Oaklawnfan

I just hope things work out. He has been a real boost to the Oaklawn meet. I know many of you don't even recognize that but Larry has made a real difference for us fans. Eight Belles, may she RIP, was something to watch. He has broght a lot to the table and I hope things work out for him.

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

Cheaters make sure its impossible to develop a industry.. You can't bet, you can't own, and you can't be a fan other then that I have nothing against juicers.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Cheaters make sure its impossible to develop a industry.. You can't bet, you can't own, and you can't be a fan other then that I have nothing against juicers.

Exactly.

[Oaklawnfan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

That's not where I was going.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The horse was no better than 5th in each of his first three career starts before coming to Delaware.

PETA is very clever. It's hard to get a price on a Jones runner at Delaware when he's winning at a 45% clip and in the exacta at a 75% clip - very well executed coup and great job picking the right horse for it.

I had my doubts about that group - but they obviously know how to make em win! They would have got away with it scott free if that pesky owner hadn't been so sharp to unravel it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Oaklawnfan

That's not where I was going.

I'm confused.....you think that if someone is cheating they are helping the fans?

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It certainly smells like a PETA betting coup to me.

They had to pay for that Churchill stock.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

you think that jerkins is cheating.. today the seas parted and he got a break....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

There is no such thing as due process when these guys don't face the possibility of prison.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

What am I missing? His horse tested positive for a drug overage....coincidentally after running a remarkably improved race. Are you suggesting the test was incorrect?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Riot

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

Without offering an opinion on the specifics of this case, why does it always seem that we are more concerned about the "due process" rights of the cheaters than the honest horsemen that they are putting out of the business?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Without offering an opinion on the specifics of this case, why does it always seem that we are more concerned about the "due process" rights of the cheaters than the honest horsemen that they are putting out of the business?

While I totally agree with this....I would also like to mention the honest horseplayers that are also being put out of business. Cheating is a disgustingly self-centered activity that is destroying this game.