Especially To The Critics Of Big Brown

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

Why not? He isn't anything special but neither is anyone else at this point (assuming BB doesn't race again). He finished 3rd in the Derby and 2nd in the Belmont. Why not him? Heck, anyone can clunk up and become a star from this bunch of 3 year olds. He has a good of shot as any.

Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

I hear what you are saying, but I would have to believe if the Travers was next month and DofC was in it with the same cast of characters, he would be the fav. Of course that doesn't mean he wins. One horse I have forgotten about is Colonel John. He has a shot at the BCC since it is at Santa Anita and he loves that surface.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

I hear what you are saying, but I would have to believe if the Travers was next month and DofC was in it with the same cast of characters, he would be the fav. Of course that doesn't mean he wins. One horse I have forgotten about is Colonel John. He has a shot at the BCC since it is at Santa Anita and he loves that surface.

Well, that's my point. I'm banking on it being a slightly better cast of characters. Even if it's not though, Denis doesn't strike me as a horse with enough stamina or tactical speed to win a race like the Travers or Classic.

[DogsUp]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Well, that's my point. I'm banking on it being a slightly better cast of characters. Even if it's not though, Denis doesn't strike me as a horse with enough stamina or tactical speed to win a race like the Travers or Classic.

You seem to be correct about his lack of stamina and/or tactical speed.

I wonder if Larry Jones will enter his other filly in the big races. That would be interesting.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Well, that's my point. I'm banking on it being a slightly better cast of characters. Even if it's not though, Denis doesn't strike me as a horse with enough stamina or tactical speed to win a race like the Travers or Classic.

Stamina is one issue he doesnt have in my opinion.

His biggest problem is that he is a plodder that gives the visual impression of being a closer because he is passing dying horses.

And no, he isnt going to win a travers or a jim dandy for that matter and it doesnt really matter how weak the cast is.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Stamina is one issue he doesnt have in my opinion.

His biggest problem is that he is a plodder that gives the visual impression of being a closer because he is passing dying horses.

And no, he isnt going to win a travers or a jim dandy for that matter and it doesnt really matter how weak the cast is.

My guess at this point is that he never runs again.

My disclaimer is that I've not checked the particulars on his insurance policies.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

My guess at this point is that he never runs again.

My disclaimer is that I've not checked the particulars on his insurance policies.

Are you guys talking about the same horse? Dalakhani was talking about Denis of Cork.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DogsUp

I hear what you are saying, but I would have to believe if the Travers was next month and DofC was in it with the same cast of characters, he would be the fav. Of course that doesn't mean he wins. One horse I have forgotten about is Colonel John. He has a shot at the BCC since it is at Santa Anita and he loves that surface.

don't forget georgie boy, if he comes back the same as he was before injury.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

At this point of the year, Tiznow had just won his first stakes race, a G3 at Hollywood Park. FuPeg had beaten some questionable sorts in the Derby and was upset by Red Bullet in the Preakness; he then sat out the Belmont, won by the poster boy for 'anybody who can stay sound can win a classic' Commendable.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Clunk up is the right phrase to use. He's had three decent races in his career, in one he got a perfect setup, and in the other two he never was a threat to the winner. I know this is a terrible crop, but to say that Denis of Cork is a possibility to sweep the Travers and BCC is insane, IMO. There's probably a maiden winner three-year-old that has a better shot of winning one of those two races.

There is...his name is Unbridled's Heart.