The Gods have finally spoken...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Huh??? These horses died from "excessive heart" disease a condition caused by competing to such an extreme that their lives would be the penalty. BB may have that heart but hasn't had to completely empty his tank when a result was in doubt.

Dutrow just sucks the heart from the game and all that is good about it and for that my friend eternal warmth will one day be his very own.

The next time tricky ricky wins with a horse off the claim with a 2-3 month layoff ask yourself why the price is so short and the percentage so high and you'll have your answer why Dutrow deserves to relive every moment of yesterdays 11th from Big Sandy every single day of his miserable life.

Not to defend Dutrow, but there are tons of trainer out there who are just as bad as he is. Most of the top trainers cheat. Both Pletcher and Asmussen got caught blocking their horses with mepivicaine. That is about as unethical and immoral as you can get. That is making it so that the horse can't feel anything. Do you know how dangerous that is?

Not to mention Biancone who was using snake venom for the same purpose.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Not to defend Dutrow, but there are tons of trainer out there who are just as bad as he is. Most of the top trainers cheat. Both Pletcher and Asmussen got caught blocking their horses with mepivicaine. That is about as unethical and immoral as you can get. That is making it so that the horse can't feel anything. Do you know how dangerous that is?

Not to mention Biancone who was using snake venom for the same purpose.

Not to defend Pletcher but his mepivicaine positive was a very low level that would not be considered a positive in the majority of racing states. I guess that is a defense but what I am saying is all positives are not equal though in the public's eyes they are. the other guy got a positive that by all accounts was not a trace level and was not a mistake hence the more severe punishment.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not to defend Pletcher but his mepivicaine positive was a very low level that would not be considered a positive in the majority of racing states. I guess that is a defense but what I am saying is all positives are not equal though in the public's eyes they are. the other guy got a positive that by all accounts was not a trace level and was not a mistake hence the more severe punishment.

i would think some positives are based on the fact that not all horses metabolize at the same rate, so withdrawal times for some drugs are hit or miss. in many instances, these drugs have zero tolerance-look at the horse who travelled to australia, only to have to scratch out because he was still showing trace amounts of a drug too soon before the race-they didn't want to chance him having a level above what was allowed by races' end, so the trip was for nothing. i think this is what nipped pletcher, as well as some other trainers in times past. it's the danger of zero tolerance compared to an allowed trace amount.

[HaloWishingwell]

What does any God have to do with the results? Otherwise he would have had BIG BROWN beaten alot sooner. What's next, he performs better in hot weather?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i would think some positives are based on the fact that not all horses metabolize at the same rate, so withdrawal times for some drugs are hit or miss. in many instances, these drugs have zero tolerance-look at the horse who travelled to australia, only to have to scratch out because he was still showing trace amounts of a drug too soon before the race-they didn't want to chance him having a level above what was allowed by races' end, so the trip was for nothing. i think this is what nipped pletcher, as well as some other trainers in times past. it's the danger of zero tolerance compared to an allowed trace amount.

zero tolerence is a really bad idea for drugs that have a use in horses simply because of the difference between labs, lack of adequate research to determine accurate withdrawl times and environmental contamination. Many of the rules in place were written when the testing was far less advanced than it is now. The RMTC and its people do alot of talking about what they have done yet if you go to their website and punch in just about any drug in any state on their withdrawl time scale and you will draw a blank. Fix the system before you start leveling heavy penalties. Most trainers are all for severe penalties for violators of a serious nature but too many of the positives that are called now are simply due to confusing rules and lack of proper research. The RMTC is a good idea in theory yet as most things in this world it is very political and as such does not do effective job. If they would be a little more willing to admit what they dont know and they cant do the horseman would be a lot more welcome to helping them. Instead we are forced to fight much of what they propose simply because it is either not realistic or worse patently unfair. Fix the rules, do the research then lay the groundwork for tougher penalties. they have done it backwards for the most part.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Not to defend Dutrow, but there are tons of trainer out there who are just as bad as he is. Most of the top trainers cheat. Both Pletcher and Asmussen got caught blocking their horses with mepivicaine. That is about as unethical and immoral as you can get. That is making it so that the horse can't feel anything. Do you know how dangerous that is?

Not to mention Biancone who was using snake venom for the same purpose.

Well yeah Bobby, that's the equivalent of taking an All Pro NFL running back with a knee injury and potentially risking career ending injury by injecting tetracaine and solumedrol in a knee so they can play while injured. Which is exactly what is done not only in the pro's but now all the way down to the youngest of kids at levels shameful to sport and society.

Congrats on the big win with #4 over the weekend.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Well yeah Bobby, that's the equivalent of taking an All Pro NFL running back with a knee injury and potentially risking career ending injury by injecting tetracaine and solumedrol in a knee so they can play while injured. Which is exactly what is done not only in the pro's but now all the way down to the youngest of kids at levels shameful to sport and society.

Congrats on the big win with #4 over the weekend.

Bobby? I'm not Bobby. I didn't win anything over the weekend either.

[CSC]

On the subject, I am curious why Bobby Frankel got a free pass? I've never met Frankel before though he has walked by me a couple of times. But from what I have heard the guy is allegedly not the most friendly person in the world. But when he was winning everything in sight for a span of a couple of years ago everyone was hailing him as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think he had great horses and great owners to start with, but was everything on the up and up with him? Horseracing didn't address the drug problem to the lengths they do today, and even today there is a ways to.