The Gods have finally spoken...

blackthroatedwind · #1 06-07-2008, 11:51 PM

Today was just another reminder of why this game is so phucking great.

docicu3 · #2 06-07-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Today was just another reminder of why this game is so phucking great.

Agreed.....

I was curious though Andy if you saw the footage of BB losing his mind earlier in the day in his stall. He seemed incredibly rank and yet not a word from any of the heads about it.

blackthroatedwind · #3 06-08-2008, 12:00 AM

Where would I have seen the footage.

A long, hot, and eventually beautiful day.

docicu3 · #4 06-08-2008, 12:14 AM

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Where would I have seen the footage.

A long, hot, and eventually beautiful day.

Having not seen Belmont since 1989 I was assuming you saw the feed on the ABC/ESPN monitor that I saw when I happen to glance up while betting the 8th at Belmont. I assumed the simulcast monitors would have shown you what I saw. Somebody else here must have seen that clip as it was pretty scary stuff given the time and event to follow.

blackthroatedwind · #5 06-08-2008, 12:20 AM

I was at Belmont for 10 hours today in 147 degree heat and humidity.....I was lucky I wasn't halucinating.

Or....was I? Did my man Nick actually trash Big Brownout with Da Tara....or do we have a twelfth TC winner ( like a lot of former posters guaranteed )?

blackthroatedwind · #6 06-09-2008, 09:59 AM

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Andy, your man Zito had both of his horses that ran 1st and 3rd in the Belmont race on Winstrol. Is the media gonna crucify Nick as they have been doing to Ricky all through this TC? Just thought I would bring this to everyone's attention about the Winstrol and why Nick gets a free pass from the media because he's a NYer.

That's reaching pretty deep.

But, hey, good detective there. What's next.....the Loch Ness monster?

ArlJim78 · #7 06-09-2008, 10:17 AM

Zito is a great trainer and exudes class and is respectful of others.
The other guy is a mouthy blowhard with no class.

A few years back when Zito had 5 starters in the derby, and all expectations and pressure where on him. Immediately after the race when he finished off the board with all horses, the media were all right in his face for interviews of course, and I'll never forget how he handled it. He didn't squirm or make excuses or blame anyone or duck any questions. He made himself available at a moment that had to be a huge personal disappointment and answered the questions forthrightly.

contrast that to Saturday with a sweaty guy quickly running off "don't even think about it" after mouthing off to the world for weeks that the race was guaranteed.

blackthroatedwind · #8 06-09-2008, 10:19 AM

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Hey, im not trying to exactly play spoiler here- but the facts should be stated and everyone should know the truth. Congrats to Nick and his Belmont win. There is a reason why he's in the HOF.

You're reaching to start trouble.

If the media asks Nick about his use of medications I'm quite comfortable he will be forthcoming, as he always is. Winstrol is a legal medication in many states. Dutrow was honest, and actually complimented for his honesty by those with any knowledge of the game, and if anything it is the industry that needs to address the issue. Dutrow was also criticized for what he said, which was that he just gave it to his horses and didn't know what it did. I would be surprised if Nick gave a similar answer.

Different people have different styles. That doesn't make one right and one wrong. Fortunately, the world doesn't work that way. However, Nick has developed his positive image through many years of being a great friend to horse racing. If, perhaps, he is treated differently, maybe he has earned it through years of availability and generosity. This is not to criticize Rick Dutrow, but his fame is mostly recent, and fair or unfair, much of his notoriety has been due to negative publicity. I hope, for his sake and the sake of the game, that he will be able to use this opportunity to show a much more positive side of himself. Personally, and I don't know Rick at all, while I didn't agree with everything he said or did, overall I would say he was pretty entertaining and my opinion of him, for whatever the hell that's worth, improved.

GBBob · #9 06-09-2008, 10:20 AM

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You're an idiot. What exactly is Rick suppose to say to Jeannine Edwards immeadiately following the race? The answer would be I don't know to all the questions asked. Rick did the prudent thing with putting the horse first and media second. Trainer's are not bound to speak with media as some sports are mandated to do so. Rick watched the horse cool out and had visual physical checks performed before answering to the media. Yes, this was at least a hour after the running of the race, but he acted with dignity under the circumstances later answering questions best he could.

They should be. No one ever said Parcells or Belechik were fun to be around after a loss, but they showed up. If you want to represent your sport favorably, you have to show up in good times and in bad. The only exception would be, IMO, an EB type tragedy.

hockey2315 · #10 06-09-2008, 01:49 PM

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You're an idiot. What exactly is Rick suppose to say to Jeannine Edwards immeadiately following the race? The answer would be I don't know to all the questions asked. Rick did the prudent thing with putting the horse first and media second. Trainer's are not bound to speak with media as some sports are mandated to do so. Rick watched the horse cool out and had visual physical checks performed before answering to the media. Yes, this was at least a hour after the running of the race, but he acted with dignity under the circumstances later answering questions best he could.

Maybe if he ever shut his mouth before the race people would feel differently. The words "prudent" and "dignity" shouldn't be used in the same sentence as this guy.

IrishofNDMan · #11 06-08-2008, 12:22 AM

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Having not seen Belmont since 1989 I was assuming you saw the feed on the ABC/ESPN monitor that I saw when I happen to glance up while betting the 8th at Belmont. I assumed the simulcast monitors would have shown you what I saw. Somebody else here must have seen that clip as it was pretty scary stuff given the time and event to follow.

I did see that, he was going nuts in his new stall.

Rupert Pupkin · #12 06-08-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3

Having not seen Belmont since 1989 I was assuming you saw the feed on the ABC/ESPN monitor that I saw when I happen to glance up while betting the 8th at Belmont. I assumed the simulcast monitors would have shown you what I saw. Somebody else here must have seen that clip as it was pretty scary stuff given the time and event to follow.

Yes, I saw it. He was doing those full backward kicks in his stall for a couple of seconds. He was lucky he didn't kick the wall. A horse can get hurt like that.

docicu3 · #13 06-09-2008, 09:42 AM

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Yes, I saw it. He was doing those full backward kicks in his stall for a couple of seconds. He was lucky he didn't kick the wall. A horse can get hurt like that.

All I could think about when I saw BB going postal in the stall was that this is probably how N. Key probably hurt herself.

hockey2315 · #14 06-08-2008, 12:01 AM

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Agreed.....

I was curious though Andy if you saw the footage of BB losing his mind earlier in the day in his stall. He seemed incredibly rank and yet not a word from any of the heads about it.

I think his ex. rider said he was rank in his last workout too. . . but nobody seemed to think it was a big deal.

GBBob · #15 06-08-2008, 12:01 AM

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Agreed.....

I was curious though Andy if you saw the footage of BB losing his mind earlier in the day in his stall. He seemed incredibly rank and yet not a word from any of the heads about it.

really?

I thought he broke awkwardly , but was ok in the stall

Cannon Shell · #16 06-08-2008, 03:52 PM

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Agreed.....

I was curious though Andy if you saw the footage of BB losing his mind earlier in the day in his stall. He seemed incredibly rank and yet not a word from any of the heads about it.

When we originally complained about the holding or security barns this was one of the things we were referring to. It can really upset a nervous or high strung horse and throw them off their game. I am not suggesting that is the case here but it is another factor that you just cant quantify.

docicu3 · #17 06-09-2008, 09:55 AM

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When we originally complained about the holding or security barns this was one of the things we were referring to. It can really upset a nervous or high strung horse and throw them off their game. I am not suggesting that is the case here but it is another factor that you just cant quantify.

It's not much of a reach Chuck to suggest BB left an awful lot of game in that stall Saturday Chuck.