The Gods have finally spoken...

Rupert Pupkin · #1 06-07-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I think the point he was making was Big Brown's 1/4 crack was not as bad as Touch Gold's and that his connections said it wasn't a problem especially after his good works after the patch. Therefore it cannot be used as an excuse.

What Big Brown had was much worse than what Touch Gold had. Touch Gold did not have a quarter crack. Touch Gold had grabbed a quarter in his previous race but it wasn't a true quarter crack. I know that because my trainer was asking David Hofmans about it just a couple of days ago. Hofmans said that what Big Brown had was 100x worse.

Cannon Shell · #2 06-07-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What Big Brown had was much worse than what Touch Gold had. Touch Gold did not have a quarter crack. Touch Gold had grabbed a quarter in his previous race but it wasn't a true quarter crack. I know that because my trainer was asking David Hofmans about it just a couple of days ago. Hofmans said that what Big Brown had was 100x worse.

What would David Hofmans know? Randy Moss said it was worse and that's that!!!!!! He is an expert you know...

Danzig · #3 06-07-2008, 08:51 PM

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What would David Hofmans know? Randy Moss said it was worse and that's that!!!!!! He is an expert you know...

i still like moss' capping, but he's been a bit screwbally lately-the 1/4 crack talk on top of the whip comments a few weeks ago.
i never have cared for the gnome sitting on his high chair next to him tho....

Cannon Shell · #4 06-07-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i still like moss' capping, but he's been a bit screwbally lately-the 1/4 crack talk on top of the whip comments a few weeks ago.
i never have cared for the gnome sitting on his high chair next to him tho....

He is one of the few guys on air that have a clue from a handicapping standpoint but he has been awfully agenda driven lately and more often than not is using myths and misconceptions as the basis for his stances.

Danzig · #5 06-07-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is one of the few guys on air that have a clue from a handicapping standpoint but he has been awfully agenda driven lately and more often than not is using myths and misconceptions as the basis for his stances.

i wonder why. i really do. but then zito did say today that he also would like to see them do away with the whip. that wasn't long after johnnie v won without his-not that it mattered with zaftig anyway, she was much the best in that race.

but i bet cauthen was glad to have one in the belmont a few years back!!

Cannon Shell · #6 06-07-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i wonder why. i really do. but then zito did say today that he also would like to see them do away with the whip. that wasn't long after johnnie v won without his-not that it mattered with zaftig anyway, she was much the best in that race.

but i bet cauthen was glad to have one in the belmont a few years back!!

Andy made him say that

Rupert Pupkin · #7 06-07-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i wonder why. i really do. but then zito did say today that he also would like to see them do away with the whip. that wasn't long after johnnie v won without his-not that it mattered with zaftig anyway, she was much the best in that race.

but i bet cauthen was glad to have one in the belmont a few years back!!

Jerry Bailey said the same thing about whips. I wish they would get rid of the whips too. They don't allow whips in the 2 furlong two-year old races out here.

Cannon Shell · #8 06-07-2008, 09:18 PM

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Jerry Bailey said the same thing about whips. I wish they would get rid of the whips too. They don't allow whips in the 2 furlong two-year old races out here.

Getting rid of whips is something I simply cant understand. Use softer whips? Ok. Enforce the whip abuse rules? Sure. Get rid of them? That is too drastic of a change to the sport, it just is. It will not improve business and may well hurt it. Then what?

RolloTomasi · #9 06-07-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What Big Brown had was much worse than what Touch Gold had. Touch Gold did not have a quarter crack. Touch Gold had grabbed a quarter in his previous race but it wasn't a true quarter crack. I know that because my trainer was asking David Hofmans about it just a couple of days ago. Hofmans said that what Big Brown had was 100x worse.

What's also ironic about the Touch Gold comparison is that despite the Belmont win, later in the '97 season,Touch Gold tailed off badly (just as Big Brown did today), getting beat the length of the stretch at odds-on in the Pegasus (in a 4-horse field) and then virtually easing in the BC Classic behind Skip Away. I don't recall exactly, but I believe the excuse was the development of a quarter crack, possibly a result of the trauma sustained in the Preakness followed by continued training/racing during the summer.

Danzig · #10 06-07-2008, 08:52 PM

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What's also ironic about the Touch Gold comparison is that despite the Belmont win, later in the '97 season,Touch Gold tailed off badly (just as Big Brown did today), getting beat the length of the stretch at odds-on in the Pegasus (in a 4-horse field) and then virtually easing in the BC Classic behind Skip Away. I don't recall exactly, but I believe the excuse was the development of a quarter crack, possibly a result of the trauma sustained in the Preakness followed by continued training/racing during the summer.

i'm just blown away by da tara today-he's certainly gotten good at the right time. who won the sir barton btw??
no way in a million years most would have seen him winning that today.

horseofcourse · #11 06-07-2008, 08:54 PM

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i'm just blown away by da tara today-he's certainly gotten good at the right time. who won the sir barton btw??

Jeremy Rose!! (Roman Emperor the horse)

Danzig · #12 06-07-2008, 08:55 PM

oh yeah, the empire maker colt....i can't believe i keep forgetting some of this years sophomores.

Rupert Pupkin · #13 06-07-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What's also ironic about the Touch Gold comparison is that despite the Belmont win, later in the '97 season,Touch Gold tailed off badly (just as Big Brown did today), getting beat the length of the stretch at odds-on in the Pegasus (in a 4-horse field) and then virtually easing in the BC Classic behind Skip Away. I don't recall exactly, but I believe the excuse was the development of a quarter crack, possibly a result of the trauma sustained in the Preakness followed by continued training/racing during the summer.

It's really pretty amazing the way they downplayed that quarter crack. My main trainer told me all week that he didn't think BB would hit the board. He told me that if you had a $50,000 claimer with a quarter crack like that, you would have two choices. Your first choice would be to give the horse 6 months off. If you didn't want to give the horse the time off, then the other option would be to drop the horse in for $25,000.

I wish I would have listened to him and bet against BB. I figured that since the horse worked alright the other day and since the quarter crack didn't bleed that it probably would not bother the horse. I should have listened to my trainer. He knows 1000x more than I do about injuries.

phystech · #14 06-07-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I wish I would have listened to him and bet against BB. I figured that since the horse worked alright the other day and since the quarter crack didn't bleed that it probably would not bother the horse. I should have listened to my trainer. He knows 1000x more than I do about injuries.

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Rule No 1: ALWAYS listen to your trainer!!!

As painful as it might be sometimes to admit he/she knows what they are talking about, always refer to rule #1.... 8-)

Cannon Shell · #15 06-07-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

It's really pretty amazing the way they downplayed that quarter crack. My main trainer told me all week that he didn't think BB would hit the board. He told me that if you had a $50,000 claimer with a quarter crack like that, you would have two choices. Your first choice would be to give the horse 6 months off. If you didn't want to give the horse the time off, then the other option would be to drop the horse in for $25,000.

I wish I would have listened to him and bet against BB. I figured that since the horse worked alright the other day and since the quarter crack didn't bleed that it probably would not bother the horse. I should have listened to my trainer. He knows 1000x more than I do about injuries.

Be truthful...You wouldn't have come up with the winner anyway....

Scav · #16 06-07-2008, 09:20 PM

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Be truthful...You wouldn't have come up with the winner anyway....

The only way the winner was picked was by the 'quick pick' button or the all button....

Rupert Pupkin · #17 06-07-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Be truthful...You wouldn't have come up with the winner anyway....

That is true. I was just thinking more in terms of how much money you could make if you knew for sure that the 1-5 favorite would not hit the board.

Cannon Shell · #18 06-07-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That is true. I was just thinking more in terms of how much money you could make if you knew for sure that the 1-5 favorite would not hit the board.

throw out BB and the maiden and box the rest?

Rupert Pupkin · #19 06-07-2008, 09:36 PM

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throw out BB and the maiden and box the rest?

Shoot. I don't even know what the best way to play it would have been if I was confident that BB would run out. I rarely play exotics. I normally just bet to win and place. I guess if you were really confident that the horse would not hit the board, it would be smart to play some serious trifectas where you used a ton of horses. But even in that case, I still may not have used the winner.

CSC · #20 06-07-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

What Big Brown had was much worse than what Touch Gold had. Touch Gold did not have a quarter crack. Touch Gold had grabbed a quarter in his previous race but it wasn't a true quarter crack. I know that because my trainer was asking David Hofmans about it just a couple of days ago. Hofmans said that what Big Brown had was 100x worse.

Where did you get your information? Is Hoffmans on the up and up? Touch Gold tore apart his hoof when he stumbled out of the gate at The Preakness, the same blacksmith that worked on him prior to the Belmont is the same one that worked on Big Brown for this Belmont. He has been quoted in numerous publications that what Touch Gold had was far worser than what Big Brown had. Anyway someone is not being completely truthful.