Camera Angles on ESPN

[ArlJim78]

one second you're looking at the pan view, then a quick cut to the view from space, then they are heading right at you, next the moving truck shot for about 3 seconds. makes your head spin. they have the right ingredients but they need a director that knows how to watch races. they should have one live race structure, and then a different one for replays.

I'm hoping they show Big Brown bucking in the stall during the far turn of the 3rd. Maybe show P. Diddy posing like a douchebag at the sixteenth pole.

[SundayStar]

hopefully they don't go spastic like this with the belmont.

[Travis Stone]

Remember that ESPN is not here to present a simulcast feed. They are here for entertainment. Anyone outside of our horse racing circle enjoys the cool angles, cuts and unique perspectives.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Remember that ESPN is not here to present a simulcast feed. They are here for entertainment. Anyone outside of our horse racing circle enjoys the cool angles, cuts and unique perspectives.

Yep, give a 14 to 23 year old a video recording device these days, and they'll likely produced similarly flavored work. For whatever reason, that's the preferred style at the moment, and has been for a few years....

[MaTH716]

Way to foucus on a run away winner guys, Nobody cares about battles for 2nd and 3rd!

My mind is exploding.

And I see an industry guy is defending this debacle. Shocking.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Remember that ESPN is not here to present a simulcast feed. They are here for entertainment. Anyone outside of our horse racing circle enjoys the cool angles, cuts and unique perspectives.

I agree on it being entertainment but so many cuts as to make you nauseous doesn't seem the best way to go. I feel like I'm watching the opening battle scene of Gladiator.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Remember that ESPN is not here to present a simulcast feed. They are here for entertainment. Anyone outside of our horse racing circle enjoys the cool angles, cuts and unique perspectives.

we all would enjoy the cool angles, cuts and unique perspectives if they were shown at the proper time, which is after the race is over.

You guys dont play enough video games.

This is how I feel when I attempt to play,
become completely disoriented,
and then I am immediately blown up by
some teenager who plays the controller
like a master typist on a keyboard.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Remember that ESPN is not here to present a simulcast feed. They are here for entertainment. Anyone outside of our horse racing circle enjoys the cool angles, cuts and unique perspectives.

you give them far too much credit. people outside of horse racing circle deserve better, just like we do. the people outside wouldn't know the difference anyway.

[Travis Stone]

Maybe it's just our ignorance to what others think of the game? Or what they're looking for?

I haven't seen a race yet, so let me toss that in here, however, this dying need for the typical pan shot by racing fans on ESPN is lame.

How about this -- no viewers -- no ESPN -- then how would we feel? There would be no camera angles to show.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Maybe it's just our ignorance to what others think of the game? Or what they're looking for?

I haven't seen a race yet, so let me toss that in here, however, this dying need for the typical pan shot by racing fans on ESPN is lame.

How about this -- no viewers -- no ESPN -- then how would we feel? There would be no camera angles to show.

What difference does it make what others think? Is someone turning in for camera angles? If they started showing NFL games from the blimp would non fans start watching? If they showed Red Sox games from the top of the Green monster would that be cool? Maybe for one pitch but people want to watch the races or see the games. When you make 17 cuts in a race that is just over a minute long you either have ADD or you are doing way too much.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you give them far too much credit. people outside of horse racing circle deserve better, just like we do. the people outside wouldn't know the difference anyway.

I just got to the booth and will watch the fifth race and see what it's all about.

I just know that a friend of mine who has a brother not at all interested in racing made comments about how he could get into it more with the cool camera angles they showed for Dubai's racing coverage.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I just got to the booth and will watch the fifth race and see what it's all about.

I just know that a friend of mine who has a brother not at all interested in racing made comments about how he could get into it more with the cool camera angles they showed for Dubai's racing coverage.

watch a race first then before commenting. it BLOWS!!!!!!!!!!

its not the different angles per se, its that they present it in a rapid fire way so the viewer gets no perspective of the race.
right idea, but wrong implementation.

[Merlinsky]

I actually wasn't having a problem with it until they allowed a drunken 5 year old hold the camera during that winner's circle photo op. One word...Steadycam.

Oh wait did I say drunken 5 year old? I meant Hank Goldberg.

[Storm Cadet]

WHERE THE HELL IS JEANINE EDWARDS?????

[Stall Mucker]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Remember that ESPN is not here to present a simulcast feed. They are here for entertainment. Anyone outside of our horse racing circle enjoys the cool angles, cuts and unique perspectives.

Agreed. Moreover, the Belmont and other big race TV days are bid by ESPN, ABC etc. They will bring all of the resources allowed by budget and they will use all resources. Most tracks can only afford the basic pan shots, talent cams, gate shots, a ground level shot here and there and of course the tower shots that are usually used for steward looks and to find horses on those foggy days. If race tracks had larger TV budgets I'm sure we would see more "artsy" cuts and angles.

[CSC]

The Breeders Cup once had those side by side pan shots that many didn't like, but I didn't mind it. I'm all for new technology if it gives fans something new to look at. Ie. Trackus...ect...

[Scav]

I liked it, but as I said earlier, what they need to do is what they do for those college football games, where instead of changing channels, they need to have one channel that has FOUR screens on it, with the different views, and then another channel that has all the commentary and the race from the pan view