Mott playing games with us?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

Puts the shades on Court Vision and the horse works 46 and 1, OUT OF A MOTT RUNNER???

Did the vetern know this horse needed the blinks the whole time and was waiting because he knew he would run the race of his life?

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44650

Note: This is not a Court Vision endorsement

Yeah he is taking a trick out of the matties family book. He just wants a bigger price on Derby day.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah he is taking a trick out of the matties family book. He just wants a bigger price on Derby day.

Do you know Greg?

I play golf with him sometimes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

Do you know Greg?

I play golf with him sometimes.

Just to say hello

[lemoncrush]

I can't imagine Z-fortune being any lower than 20-1. That Arkansas Derby field was atrocious, and getting beat by Gayego is nothing to write home about.
As of now, I really think the 3 likely morning line favorites are the only horses that have a legit shot to win. I'm sure I'll change my mind plenty in the next 2 weeks, however.

[The Bid]

Smooth Air will be the most honest horse in the Derby. He may not be good enough, and he may not want the 1 1/4, but he will run his eyeballs out everytime hes lead to post. Still hoping for another step up from him but do not think its impossible.

Z Fortune should be named JF Fortune.

Q)Whats the difference between Court Vision with Blinkers and without?

A)About 50 bucks.

Hes still a slow crow.

[To_Close_to_call]

Thanks for entertaining a new guys question!
Well Pyro will be in my picks in some form of an exotic. I am not sure how I will play him yet but think that he is worth giving another go. My other early picks are also Coronal John, Z Fortone, Big Brown and Gayego

If it were not for the fact that Atoned is running only two weeks before the derby he would be in there also but I think he is being pushed to hard to make the field. To bad they wouldnt just same him up for the Preakness!

[pick4]

That latest work by Court Vision caught my attention as well as some friends of mine who are pretty sharp handicappers. Court Vision has won at Churchill, so the fine work reaffirms his affinity for the surface. The blinkers added factor is an interesting twist. If you take jockey Garrett Gomez at his word, he claims that Court Vision never got hold of the wet fast Aqueduct surface, you have to think the race helped the horse by running a 1 1/8 for conditioning purposes. His FOY was a race where he was too far back to make an impact but ran third nonetheless.

The Derby will come down to pace. Big Brown, War Pass, Gayego, the Rousell horse should ensure an honest pace. How Court Vision runs with blinkers is unknown. Horses can mature in a hurry between the major preps and the Derby. Look back at Charismatic. 4th place finisher behind Indian Charlie in the SA Derby. He runs a hole in the wind in the Lexington and carried that over to the Triple Crown races.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by To_Close_to_call

Thanks for entertaining a new guys question!
If it were not for the fact that Atoned is running only two weeks before the derby he would be in there also but I think he is being pushed to hard to make the field. To bad they wouldnt just same him up for the Preakness!

Since you are a new guy, I can understand why you think this. But not that many years ago, two weeks out was a typical time for the last prep. Many horses prepped even later - the Bluegrass S was 10 days out and the Derby Trial really was a trial for the Derby, first on the Tuesday 4 days out, then on the previous Saturday, 7 days out. You go far enough back and the Derby and Preakness were on consecutive Saturdays.

Overseas, trainers still race their charges this way; the last qualifying race for the Melbourne Cup is on the Saturday before the Cup on the First Tuesday in November. Horses not infrequently run twice during the 5 days of Royal Ascot and run well - Baddam won both the big long distance handicaps (2.5 miles and 2.75 miles) a couple of years back. Just today, I saw a mare win a 2-mile hurdle race pulling away, after she won a similar race for mares only YESTERDAY.