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Scav 04-17-2008 03:26 PM

Mott playing games with us?
 
Puts the shades on Court Vision and the horse works 46 and 1, OUT OF A MOTT RUNNER???

Did the vetern know this horse needed the blinks the whole time and was waiting because he knew he would run the race of his life?

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44650

Note: This is not a Court Vision endorsement

ateamstupid 04-17-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Puts the shades on Court Vision and the horse works 46 and 1, OUT OF A MOTT RUNNER???

Did the vetern know this horse needed the blinks the whole time and was waiting because he knew he would run the race of his life?

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44650

Note: This is not a Court Vision endorsement

No way. This was a last ditch attempt to put some semblance of speed into the horse and change things up, and he got more than what he asked for. Could help a little bit, but it still doesn't make him a win contender in my book.

Scav 04-17-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
No way. This was a last ditch attempt to put some semblance of speed into the horse and change things up, and he got more than what he asked for. Could help a little bit, but it still doesn't make him a win contender in my book.

If you had $20 in front of you, and HAD to box five horses, who would be those five, right now?

slotdirt 04-17-2008 03:51 PM

Scav, I know you didn't ask me, but it's an interesting question, and my five at this exact moment in time would have to be Colonel John, Big Brown, Smooth Air, Z Fortune, and....Visionaire? I have no idea actually. Those first four are the only four I actually feel half-decent about at all.

Scav 04-17-2008 03:55 PM

The question is for all, although Ateam is the king of responded, and then forgeting he responded, and not responding to the response until 4 days later.

Without any information my five would be

Pyro, Colonel John, Z Fortune, and the last two would be between Court Vision, Adriano, Tale of Ekati, and Anak Nakal.

I can say this, if Z Fortune's sheet is what I think it is, he will be my tout of the Derby, at what will probably be in the 15-20/1 range.

ateamstupid 04-17-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
If you had $20 in front of you, and HAD to box five horses, who would be those five, right now?

Glad you asked, as I've recently narrowed it down to five horses I think can win. In order of value, those are:

Smooth Air, Cool Coal Man, Pyro, Colonel John, Big Brown

Scav 04-17-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Glad you asked, as I've recently narrowed it down to five horses I think can win. In order of value, those are:

Smooth Air, Cool Coal Man, Pyro, Colonel John, Big Brown

Oh my god, the kool aid has spread to you too.....

ateamstupid 04-17-2008 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Oh my god, the kool aid has spread to you too.....

Which Kool-Aid would that be?

Scav 04-17-2008 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Which Kool-Aid would that be?

SMOOTH AIR!!

From a connection standpoint, I would love to see him win, but tell me how he isn't quitting after the final turn

golfer 04-17-2008 04:04 PM

Me thinks he's referring to Smooth Air?

Damn, too late!

ateamstupid 04-17-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
SMOOTH AIR!!

From a connection standpoint, I would love to see him win, but tell me how he isn't quitting after the final turn

Huh? What says he is?

Scav 04-17-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Huh? What says he is?

Everything about the horse. Here is my opinion, while outlandish, I think has some merit.

I personally think he was ridden last time to get 2nd, period. Stutts knew that 2nd got him to the Derby. Riding a horse for 2nd is alot different then 3rd, and there wasn't crap in that race anyways.

good story that will make a good 8 minute piece on ESPN or NBC, but the horse aint hitting the top 6

ateamstupid 04-17-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Everything about the horse. Here is my opinion, while outlandish, I think has some merit.

I personally think he was ridden last time to get 2nd, period. Stutts knew that 2nd got him to the Derby. Riding a horse for 2nd is alot different then 3rd, and there wasn't crap in that race anyways.

good story that will make a good 8 minute piece on ESPN or NBC, but the horse aint hitting the top 6

"Everything about the horse". Well, that's it, I'm sold.

horseofcourse 04-17-2008 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Everything about the horse. Here is my opinion, while outlandish, I think has some merit.

I personally think he was ridden last time to get 2nd, period. Stutts knew that 2nd got him to the Derby. Riding a horse for 2nd is alot different then 3rd, and there wasn't crap in that race anyways.

good story that will make a good 8 minute piece on ESPN or NBC, but the horse aint hitting the top 6

What pray tell could possibly make you like Anak Nakal more than this horse? Or any other horse running for that matter?? Is it simply because he'll be 50-1 or better most likely??

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Without any information my five would be

Pyro, Colonel John, Z Fortune, and the last two would be between Court Vision, Adriano, Tale of Ekati, and Anak Nakal.

Scavs, Give up on Anak Nakal....he stinks.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2008 04:42 PM

If Smooth Air wins I will be very shocked.

brianwspencer 04-17-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
The question is for all, although Ateam is the king of responded, and then forgeting he responded, and not responding to the response until 4 days later.

Without any information my five would be

Pyro, Colonel John, Z Fortune, and the last two would be between Court Vision, Adriano, Tale of Ekati, and Anak Nakal.

I can say this, if Z Fortune's sheet is what I think it is, he will be my tout of the Derby, at what will probably be in the 15-20/1 range.

I'm definitely worried about this guy becoming this year's wiseguy horse. There's one every year and they get overbet like crazy. Lots of people are talking about this one in the same way you are. His sheet is going to look great and his AR derby was rock solid.

Granted, you'll still get your 15-1, but not sure that's a really solid fair price based on what he's done.

Scav 04-17-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I'm definitely worried about this guy becoming this year's wiseguy horse. There's one every year and they get overbet like crazy. Lots of people are talking about this one in the same way you are. His sheet is going to look great and his AR derby was rock solid.

Granted, you'll still get your 15-1, but not sure that's a really solid fair price based on what he's done.

Brian, Maybe I am a wise guy then??@!/?

Joey, Maybe I am wrong about Smooth Air, but I highly doubt it. I agree my argument was nil

Horse/Drugs, NO, not giving up, if the darn horse even runs. I get the feeling he is being entered to eliminate speed, to help War Pass, but you never know...Look, I understand his races this year have been garbage, but there are many horses on this trail that had their fates sealed for this day, back in September/October/November, I just think that maybe Zito has taken it REAL easy on him, and maybe he runs huge. I'll include him in exacta boxes just based on this notion alone, at what will be very long odds.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-17-2008 04:57 PM

I agree with Spence that Z Fortune might be a "wiseguy" sheet horse if his "pattern" looks well.

Z Fortune got a bigger sheet number in the Risen Star than Pyro did - because he was one path wider on both turns (2 lengths total) and there was a 6 pound weight spread at 8.5 furlongs (which equals 2.04 lengths total)

Thus - Pyro won the race by 2 lengths over Z Fortune - but Z Fortune's sheet figure came back slightly over 2 lengths faster.

The problem with that is that Z Fortune was wide behind a slow pace and in the clear - where as Pyro was buried in last behind a crawl of a pace - and the race pretty much became a 2 furlong sprint with Pyro conceding a head start to the rest of the field and having to slice his way though the pack.

Z Fortune is a horse who's chances I can't totally bash and trash - I just don't like them though.


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