Tomcito of Peru

First of all let's point to his little jpeg of the Hipodromo de Maroñas, a racetrack/casino that reopened a few years ago. Uruguay is not even considered among the elite of horse venues in South America. Peru's horse racing compared to Uruguay is like comparing the Yankees to a college ball club.
I quote El Bid: "Tomcito was defeated by an unraced maiden named Codigo De Honor."
Codigo De Honor was sold to Saudi Arabia for over a million dollars.

I quote El Bid: "The national horses would be lucky to win at Beulah"
Did you know that Dominguin (Peru) beat INVASOR in Dubai?
Yes, The Bid is a ******.

I quote El Bid: "Hed be lucky to be an allowance horse".
Mmmmm...Tomcito came in 3rd in the Florida Derby after a 5 month layoff. Can a forum member be this dumb?

I quote El Bid: "Anybody who likes this horse is in for a very rude awakening when he runs".
This guy is just taking advantage of his right of "Freedom of speech". Thank God we are awake now.

Peru has one of the most beautiful racetracks in the world bar none. To win a Grade I in Peru is extremely hard. Next time, please don't pay attention to a narrow minded guy like The Bid.

If anyone has questions about Tomcito, I will be more than happy to answer.

[cowgirlintexas]

I still like the horse and look forward to seeing him run back.. I don't think he disgraced himself by his coming at the end 3rd. I think he still has a chance in the Belmont perhaps.

[jaripeo]

Originally Posted by Caesar

First of all let's point to his little jpeg of the Hipodromo de Maroñas, a racetrack/casino that reopened a few years ago. Uruguay is not even considered among the elite of horse venues in South America. Peru's horse racing compared to Uruguay is like comparing the Yankees to a college ball club.
I quote El Bid: "Tomcito was defeated by an unraced maiden named Codigo De Honor."
Codigo De Honor was sold to Saudi Arabia for over a million dollars.

I quote El Bid: "The national horses would be lucky to win at Beulah"
Did you know that Dominguin (Peru) beat INVASOR in Dubai?
Yes, The Bid is a ******.

I quote El Bid: "Hed be lucky to be an allowance horse".
Mmmmm...Tomcito came in 3rd in the Florida Derby after a 5 month layoff. Can a forum member be this dumb?

I quote El Bid: "Anybody who likes this horse is in for a very rude awakening when he runs".
This guy is just taking advantage of his right of "Freedom of speech". Thank God we are awake now.

Peru has one of the most beautiful racetracks in the world bar none. To win a Grade I in Peru is extremely hard. Next time, please don't pay attention to a narrow minded guy like The Bid.

If anyone has questions about Tomcito, I will be more than happy to answer.

No questions. OK.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Caesar

If anyone has questions about Tomcito, I will be more than happy to answer.

I have one: where were you BEFORE the race?

P.S. Last moving a field that's been run off its feet chasing, gaining into the 2nd slowest quarter/eighth of the race, and STILL BACKING up the last split (the slowest 1/8th of the race) is not exactly an impressive performance.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I have one: where were you BEFORE the race?

P.S. Last moving a field that's been run off it's feet chasing, gaining into the 2nd slowest quarter/eighth of the race, and STILL BACKING up the last split (the slowest 1/8th of the race) is not exactly an impressive performance.

Where was I before the race? What does that have to do with anything?

In my opinion you need more than just a stop watch to analyze a race. Any professional horseman will tell u that. If u compare the times in Peru with the times at Gulfstream Park, is the same as comparing running on a sandy beach to running on concrete.

Before going deeper into analyzing the Florida Derby 2008 let me tell u about other bad breaks Tomcito endured. Jorge Chavez was told to work 3 1/2 furlongs days before the race and instead worked the horse 7 furlongs. Edgar Prado (Peruvian) who was supposed to have ridden Tomcito left for Dubai where he won both races and a total purse of $3 million.

Going back to the Florida Derby, pay close attention at Jorge Chavez actions from the start of the race. First instead of following the pace and slowly looking for the rail, pulls back the horse colliding with the 3 horse and runs into another horse who still does not allow him to get to the rail. Tomcito lost valuable ground to the rest of the pack. If I would have been the trainer, my first question to Chavez would be: "What the heck where u thinking off"? "Why did we work so hard to get speed on this horse if u is going to hold him back"?

Next step, I would get myself another jockey immediately.

Tomcito came from Peru after having raced in a 1 1/2 Miles race in a very deep track; this is just his first race in a Grade I in the United States. Don't forget that Tomcito style of racing is as a closer not a front runner like Big Brown.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Caesar

Where was I before the race? What does that have to do with anything?

It has something to do with what we term a REDBOARD here. I don't know how they do things in South America, Jose, but, HERE, we actually value opinions BEFORE the horse runs.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

It has something to do with what we term a REDBOARD here. I don't know how they do things in South America, Jose, but, HERE, we actually value opinions BEFORE the horse runs.

My opinions of the Florida Derby where posted on you tube 6 days before the race Pancho. I already got some people that at least had the courtesy to appreciate good info. You could have made yourself some cash.
So you know, I am not a Tomcito fan. I love to learn everything I can so that I can make some smart money decisions at the track. How much is Big Brown going to pay to win in Kentucky? $5.90? How much would a horse like Tomcito pay? $39.00?

If you know your racing, check how many favorites have won the Kentucky Derby and let me know how much money you would have lost.

In closing: I am not Spanish at all, I chose Caesar for Caesars Palace my favorite place to stay while in Vegas.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Caesar

My opinions of the Florida Derby where posted on you tube 6 days before the race Pancho. I already got some people that at least had the courtesy to appreciate good info. You could have made yourself some cash.
So you know, I am not a Tomcito fan. I love to learn everything I can so that I can make some smart money decisions at the track. How much is Big Brown going to pay to win in Kentucky? $5.90? How much would a horse like Tomcito pay? $39.00?

If you know your racing, check how many favorites have won the Kentucky Derby and let me know how much money you would have lost.

In closing: I am not Spanish at all, I chose Caesar for Caesars Palace my favorite place to stay while in Vegas.

Last thing I do, Jose, is listen to what people have to say on this or any other forum. LUCKILY, I actually have my own opinion and do quite nicely betting my own horses. AND, almost incredibly, I'm not the only one here who can make this claim. In fact, there are probably quite a few OTHER forum members with even better opinions than me. They're sitting back and taking it all in, while YOU feel the need to FLEX.

Where do all you HILLBILLIES come from?

I need a winner, Jose, help me out.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Last thing I do, Jose, is listen to what people have to say on this or any other forum. LUCKILY, I actually have my own opinion and do quite nicely betting my own horses. AND, almost incredibly, I'm not the only one here who can make this claim. In fact, there are probably quite a few OTHER forum members with even better opinions than me. They're sitting back and taking it all in, while YOU feel the need to FLEX.

Where do all you HILLBILLIES come from?

I need a winner, Jose, help me out.

Have you ever been to school Pancho?
You must've meant 'READ'.
Nobody wants to change your opinion.

Pancho says: "Do quite nicely betting my own horses". Nobody in this world does quite nicely betting horses. The discount taken of the top will kill any player. This is entertainment (lesson 40 for Pancho).
If you want to lose less, try education.

Next time instead of stuffing that extra nacho, show a bid of class and learn to say thank you. That thank you might put a few extra dollars in your pocket so that you can afford to 'SUPER SIZE IT'.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Caesar

First of all let's point to his little jpeg of the Hipodromo de Maroñas, a racetrack/casino that reopened a few years ago. Uruguay is not even considered among the elite of horse venues in South America. Peru's horse racing compared to Uruguay is like comparing the Yankees to a college ball club.
I quote El Bid: "Tomcito was defeated by an unraced maiden named Codigo De Honor."
Codigo De Honor was sold to Saudi Arabia for over a million dollars.

I quote El Bid: "The national horses would be lucky to win at Beulah"
Did you know that Dominguin (Peru) beat INVASOR in Dubai?
Yes, The Bid is a ******.

I quote El Bid: "Hed be lucky to be an allowance horse".
Mmmmm...Tomcito came in 3rd in the Florida Derby after a 5 month layoff. Can a forum member be this dumb?

I quote El Bid: "Anybody who likes this horse is in for a very rude awakening when he runs".
This guy is just taking advantage of his right of "Freedom of speech". Thank God we are awake now.

Peru has one of the most beautiful racetracks in the world bar none. To win a Grade I in Peru is extremely hard. Next time, please don't pay attention to a narrow minded guy like The Bid.

If anyone has questions about Tomcito, I will be more than happy to answer.

Sure. He said the horse would be lucky to be an allowance horse, which ended up being pretty accurate. He got an 85 Beyer, which is below par for allowance races at Gulfstream, despite getting the only trip that would allow him to hit the board. Nice story? Sure. A world beater? No way. I think he hit his ability about right on the head.

You seriously think the Sheikhs buying another one at a ridiculously inflated level is a good argument for the quality of a horse?!?

Originally Posted by philcski

Sure. He said the horse would be lucky to be an allowance horse, which ended up being pretty accurate. He got an 85 Beyer, which is below par for allowance races at Gulfstream, despite getting the only trip that would allow him to hit the board. Nice story? Sure. A world beater? No way. I think he hit his ability about right on the head.

You seriously think the Sheikhs buying another one at a ridiculously inflated level is a good argument for the quality of a horse?!?

I am listening to Slade Alive and I have to answer a question about Beyers?
He ran a Grade I and you talk Beyers? Sorry, enough, I am going back to Slade Alive.

[The Bid]

Ceaser

I dont usually do this but Im going to correct you.

The horse you speak of, Codigo De Honor, was sold. He was sold for 50k. Which is about 30k too much. He has subsequently ran, and drilled once again, big surprise. The horse that beat him is named Lake Periyar, Lake Periyar debuted at Deauville, and got beat 6. Came back at a minor French track and was beat 7. Came back yet again, this time in Saudi Arabia, and was promptly beaten 20. He then beat the horse you believe was sold for a million dollars, Coldigo De Honor.

The National horses in Peru cannot win at Beulah, they are horrible horses. My Jpeg picture is of a champion, I could careless where the picture is taken.

Ceaser. Dominguin was balls to the wall to win an allowance at Suffolk downs. He ran in America 6 times, winning once, breaking an 80 beyer once. For the record he was off the board in all subsequent starts, which ranged from 80 optional at CHD, drilled 10 1/4, to the Moseley handicap at Suffolk where he was beaten 10 posting a monstrous 79.

I would suggest you confront whomever is filling your head with this lunacy from A) Tomcito being a good horse. B) Peruvian horses being good horses C) Dominguin and Invasor being mentioned in the same breath D)Coldigo De Honor, a maiden, being sold for a million

I look forward to what you have to say.

Oh one last thing...Dominguin never beat Invasor

Regards

Originally Posted by The Bid

Ceaser

I dont usually do this but Im going to correct you.

The horse you speak of, Codigo De Honor, was sold. He was sold for 50k. Which is about 30k too much. He has subsequently ran, and drilled once again, big surprise. The horse that beat him is named Lake Periyar, Lake Periyar debuted at Deauville, and got beat 6. Came back at a minor French track and was beat 7. Came back yet again, this time in Saudi Arabia, and was promptly beaten 20. He then beat the horse you believe was sold for a million dollars, Coldigo De Honor.

The National horses in Peru cannot win at Beulah, they are horrible horses. My Jpeg picture is of a champion, I could careless where the picture is taken.

Ceaser. Dominguin was balls to the wall to win an allowance at Suffolk downs. He ran in America 6 times, winning once, breaking an 80 beyer once. For the record he was off the board in all subsequent starts, which ranged from 80 optional at CHD, drilled 10 1/4, to the Moseley handicap at Suffolk where he was beaten 10 posting a monstrous 79.

I would suggest you confront whomever is filling your head with this lunacy from A) Tomcito being a good horse. B) Peruvian horses being good horses C) Dominguin and Invasor being mentioned in the same breath D)Coldigo De Honor, a maiden, being sold for a million

I look forward to what you have to say.

Oh one last thing...Dominguin never beat Invasor

Regards

While I am listening to Guns & Roses, El Bid starts wasting my time with false information.
Yeah right, they paid $50k for Codigo de Honor. The smell from your message affected your brain.

Make sure all you write next time is a thank you note.

U. A. E. Derby 1 1/8 mile

1, Discreet Cat
bin Suroor/Dettori

2, Testimony
bin Suroor/Gomez

3, Flamme de Passion (JPN)
Sumii/Take

4, Dominguin (PER)
J. Velasquez

5, Gaburin (AUS)

6, Gold for Sale (ARG)

7, Invasor (ARG),

8, Jackson (BRZ),

9, My Royal Captain (NZ)

10, Simpatico Bribon (CHI)

11, Unification

12, Well Armed

13, Where's That Tiger (less)

Codigo De Honor came in second in his debut and only race so far in Dubai.

Ok, enough of Julio Pancho Rodriguez alias El Bid. El Bid needs to get back to cutting my lawn and making sure that my hedges are cut at precisely 6'4".

Folks please.... get back to work, false alarm, there is nothing El Bid has written that's worth wasting any time.

PS. Uruguay has not produced a single good horse, maybe some fine horse manure but that's about it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Caesar

While I am listening to Guns & Roses, El Bid starts wasting my time with false information.
Yeah right, they paid $50k for Codigo de Honor. The smell from your message affected your brain.

Make sure all you write next time is a thank you note.

U. A. E. Derby 1 1/8 mile

1, Discreet Cat
bin Suroor/Dettori

2, Testimony
bin Suroor/Gomez

3, Flamme de Passion (JPN)
Sumii/Take

4, Dominguin (PER)
J. Velasquez

5, Gaburin (AUS)

6, Gold for Sale (ARG)

7, Invasor (ARG),

8, Jackson (BRZ),

9, My Royal Captain (NZ)

10, Simpatico Bribon (CHI)

11, Unification

12, Well Armed

13, Where's That Tiger (less)

Codigo De Honor came in second in his debut and only race so far in Dubai.

Ok, enough of Julio Pancho Rodriguez alias El Bid. El Bid needs to get back to cutting my lawn and making sure that my hedges are cut at precisely 6'4".

Folks please.... get back to work, false alarm, there is nothing El Bid has written that's worth wasting any time.

PS. Uruguay has not produced a single good horse, maybe some fine horse manure but that's about it.

You are an impressive source of misinformation:

http://www.emiratesracing.com/eq/Res...cefile_id=4814

[The Bid]

Hes wrong on almost every account.

Codigo De Honor didnt debut in Dubai, he ran in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Ceaser the horse that ran a length beind Codigo De Honor is a 15 time maiden. 15-0-0-1. Guess where his one third came, against your million dollar horse. This horse doest run fourth or fifth though

From Most recent to first start

9th Beaten 14
3rd Beaten 1 length to a million dollar Peruvian
7th Beaten 12
9th Beaten 14
16th Beaten 32
13th Beaten 23
16th Beaten 34
15th Beaten 15
12th Beaten 32
14th Beaten 8
9th Beaten 18
16th Beaten 35
4th Beaten 5
7th Beaten 10
9Th Beaten 10

No those arent G1s, those are bad maidens in the Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia. Up until his last race he had made 634 bucks, thats racing from 05-08.

I dont think Tomcito can win an allowance.
I know they didnt pay a million bucks for CDH
I know Peruvian racing is horrible
Invasor was never defeated by that crappy Dominguin
Dominguin never ran a good race in America
As far as cutting your grass and doing your shrubs, Im not for hire

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He was beat double digit lengths. I think the jury is still out as to whether or not he can win an allowance. I'd bet he can't. You offer up one of the worst arguements I have ever seen on here and that is saying a lot. Welcome aboard!!!

Wow, I guess a 5 month layoff is not an excuse for DaHoss9698.

According to DaHoss9698 logic, any horse that travels from another country, stays in quarantine in Miami, changes feed and runs in a completely foreign track surface for the first time in no less than a Grade I race after 5 months is not at a disadvantage.

DaHoss9698 just placed horses behind Tomcito as horses not capable of winning an allowance. Tomcito shows in the Florida Derby but is not good enough to win an allowance? lol

Don't forget, Gulfstream is known for favoring speedsters and Tomcito had to change his training method.

Be open minded & u will save yourself a few bucks.

Last but not least, did u know that Tomcito is a Kentucky bred?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Seems as though it's you that cannot handle the truth my friend. Basically you offered up a paragraph of excuses why he was beat double digit lengths. Nice. That's some kind of open minded stance.

He ran okay in the Florida Derby, but certainly nothing to get too excited about and he really didn't prove The Bid wrong. I watched some of Tomcito's races prior to the Fla. Derby. Didn't he come off the pace there too, so why would his training be changed?

Who cares where he is bred? What does that matter?

It is important when it comes down to money. Just read and learn.

You want to make money? You start learning so that you don't miss on that trifecta next time.

U want to argue for the sake of arguing, to me personally that is a waste of your time & mine.

His training was changed because there is quite a difference in running 1 1/2 miles as a 2 1/2 year old going against 3 year olds than racing 1 1/8 miles against horses of his same age. If you saw the Derby Nacional at the distance of 1 1/2 miles, he was coming also from far behind the pace in a heavy track (I emphasize heavy). At Gulfstream they knew they had to be closer to the pace to have a better chance but Chavez screwed up.

Why did I tell you that he was a Kentucky bred? Can you figure that one out? Because he was used to the feed already in the United States and I don't think it will take him a long time to transition to the American feed again. Basically he is home.

[jcs11204]

dahoss has changed over time, go back and read some of his old threads, he now thinks everything he says/types is correct, he thinks he cannot be wrong, HE THINKS HES THE MAN

Originally Posted by jcs11204

dahoss has changed over time, go back and read some of his old threads, he now thinks everything he says/types is correct, he thinks he cannot be wrong, HE THINKS HES THE MAN

Every horse racing fan or player is humbled everyday. We all know that there is not such a thing as "A Sure Bet".

When I was younger I thought I could pick every race.

Today I am older and wiser.