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Old 03-02-2008, 03:16 PM
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When do they go back to the main at Aqueduct?

First watching Channing Hill run away from the 4/5 favorite in the 7th after carving out the fractions, then watching Wishing Wishes not able to get by the Karakorum horse after that one dueled for a half mile, makes me want to stick a fork in my eye...

It is just incredible that race after race, day after day, year after year the track has played this way and there is nothing they can or want to do about it.
The jocks let Tergesty set his own pace, he was never pressured until midway on the turn. Even though Tergesti is a once in a blue moon winner the most important thing was they let him set a slow pace.

In the Broadway, Karakorum Starlet outclassed this field. It helped that Tamberino is a 4 furlong sprint and quit horse.

While the track might be favoring speed I would not draw conclusions based on Tergesti and Karakorum Starlet wiring those fields.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:18 PM
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I don't disagree with that ( though I don't know what " outclassed " means ) but the entire card has been run in a very inside flow manner that has hindered outside movers much more than recent days.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:22 PM
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Why bet Aqueduct when Tampa is open? Yesterday Tampa had 2 20 plus dollar horses that would have paid 8 to 12 bucks in NY. Betting Aqueduct is worse then playing Freehold unless your Andy.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:31 PM
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Why bet Aqueduct when Tampa is open? Yesterday Tampa had 2 20 plus dollar horses that would have paid 8 to 12 bucks in NY. Betting Aqueduct is worse then playing Freehold unless your Andy.
Let me try this one:

because

the quality of horse and jock down there is SO POOR

that it's worse than trying to account for a bias.

Don't get me wrong, I play TAM more than AQU but I'm very selective.

All those middle moves are beyond ridiculous.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:38 PM
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Let me try this one:

because

the quality of horse and jock down there is SO POOR

that it's worse than trying to account for a bias.

Don't get me wrong, I play TAM more than AQU but I'm very selective.

All those middle moves are beyond ridiculous.

The bettors are clueless make horrible favorites that even a bird brain capper like me know ridiculous to bet.

I really don't look to much at jockeys if Ramon D is top notch then they all sux the same.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:57 PM
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The bettors are clueless make horrible favorites that even a bird brain capper like me know ridiculous to bet.

I really don't look to much at jockeys if Ramon D is top notch then they all sux the same.
The 1st part is definitely true.

I actually prefer FG to TAM these days. The horses seem to run a bit more evenly/predictably in the stretch -- on the dirt.

As for turf, outside of the sprints, both are ridiculously difficult (FG because of the poor quality of the turf and TAM because of the poor rides and the IDIOTIC OUTWARD cut of the grass just before they hit the wire) .
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:22 PM
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I just had Remorse and Vikrant in late doubles and was caught by Statesman for the win.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:24 PM
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I just had Remorse and Vikrant in late doubles and was caught by Statesman for the win.
That's a crusher, not only for you but the pick-6ers more so.

2 day carry going into Wednesday.

The biggest problem when the track goes this way is you start eliminating horses because of the bias, not that I would've come up with Statesman, but it really makes handicapping a card impossible.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:27 PM
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The biggest problem when the track goes this way is you start eliminating horses because of the bias, not that I would've come up with Statesman, but it really makes handicapping a card impossible.

I agree. It makes it very hard to play....and win.
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:27 PM
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These were cheap horses and I'll just chalk it up "that's horse racing". If I needed those two for a pick 6 or a pick 4 I probably would have had a different outlook.
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