Clemens: BigFATLIar

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Excuse please. Was the cocaine used to boost performance?
Are we marketing a business to consumers
based on assumptions that certain rules are followed?
Is this the WWF where guys bulk up to put on a predetermined show?

Again. This started with a company that was supplying drugs (BALCO)
and it bled over into a business that was portrayed as acting
in a manner not consistent with the actual product.

Actually I believe you are correct but seeing that I like to
play a bad lawyer I will.

What I especially dont like about the whole thing personally,
the thing that really stinks is the LYING

cant stand it.

It could be argued that the cocaine was used for performance though I still fail to see the role of Congress in this whole situation. If we are talking about breaking laws there are the police and FBI to investigate the broken laws and courts to enforce them. Did one congressman ask either man if they broke the law except for the lunatic from Indiana? Roger Clemens was not associated with Balco and that case has been in the court system where it belongs for years. This isnt about the law. It is about why Congress is involved and holding televised hearings about determining if Roger Clemens took HGH or not.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It could be argued that the cocaine was used for performance though I still fail to see the role of Congress in this whole situation. If we are talking about breaking laws there are the police and FBI to investigate the broken laws and courts to enforce them. Did one congressman ask either man if they broke the law except for the lunatic from Indiana? Roger Clemens was not associated with Balco and that case has been in the court system where it belongs for years. This isnt about the law. It is about why Congress is involved and holding televised hearings about determining if Roger Clemens took HGH or not.

So when are televised hearings acceptable?

If you say never, then that's a start.

The Senate holds some type of hearing almost every day. So this one involved Roger...I think you want to play the celebrity/sensationalism card here, but these hearings weren't created just for Roger..or just for Sammy, Mark or any of those other playa's either

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

So when are televised hearings acceptable?

If you say never, then that's a start.

The Senate holds some type of hearing almost every day. So this one involved Roger...I think you want to play the celebrity/sensationalism card here, but these hearings weren't created just for Roger..or just for Sammy, Mark or any of those other playa's either

This hearing was much different then the original one. This was based upon the Mitchell report and nothing else. The Mitchell report was not a government investigtion even if it was done by a former Senator. Why should the govt be involved so heavily when a person in a private report commissioned by a private business denies what is said about him in the report? Especially if the person committed no crimes? This hearing was absolutely created for Clemens and if you believe the Congressmen, by Clemens lawyer.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It could be argued that the cocaine was used for performance though I still fail to see the role of Congress in this whole situation. If we are talking about breaking laws there are the police and FBI to investigate the broken laws and courts to enforce them. Did one congressman ask either man if they broke the law except for the lunatic from Indiana? Roger Clemens was not associated with Balco and that case has been in the court system where it belongs for years. This isnt about the law. It is about why Congress is involved and holding televised hearings about determining if Roger Clemens took HGH or not.

Well actually its now gone farther than that.
Perjury. We will see how this plays out.
It will interesting to see Barry Bonds charged
and Clemens off free.

I forsee race riots. (not really, but Al Sharpton has some ammo)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Well actually its now gone farther than that.
Perjury. We will see how this plays out.
It will interesting to see Barry Bonds charged
and Clemens off free.

I forsee race riots. (not really, but Al Sharpton has some ammo)

It never should have got to perjury. No hearing, no perjury.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It never should have got to perjury. No hearing, no perjury.

OK..you think MLB is capable of judging themselves? If not...as I think we all know, who does?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

OK..you think MLB is capable of judging themselves? If not...as I think we all know, who does?

We judge them. We are the customers. If we stop buying the product, they change or go away. If we think the games are not on the level, we stop watching. If Microsoft had a bunch of employees go into rehab would there be Congressional intervention? When they thought that they were a monopoly that was leading to issues for the consumer fine. Why all the interest in sports? Because they are an easy target? How is the consumer injured when baseball players take HGH or lie about it?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It never should have got to perjury. No hearing, no perjury.

Deposition under oath.
If anyone wants to push this.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Deposition under oath.
If anyone wants to push this.

Clemens wouldnt talk to Mitchell. So it is ok for Congress to do the dirty work for Mitchell? That is a little scary. Where are all the people that are up in arms over the patriot act or other govt intrusions? Since when does Congress use its powers as the enforcement agent of non govt affairs?