Clemens: BigFATLIar

No court of law yet.
Innocent until proven guilty.

But having dealt with people
who find it necessary to lie
when stuck in a bad situation;
And then presenting the evidence...

I am inclined to believe he is a big fat liar.

Why would his trainer implicate Andy
and Roger playing dodger, Andy comes
clean, but not Roger?

Why does he say his trainer did not inject
him and then say he did but it was B-12?


What the hell does his trainer gain by
implicating Roger? His trainer would have
a hell of a lot more to lose than he already
has if he did not come clean with everyone.

Is there anybody that believes this guy?

The only question left for me is if Roger
is as fat as his lies.

And now this just in. Both his trainer
and the dodger have been asked to
testify before congress.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/sp...hp&oref=slogin

The truth noose tightens.
Bet: Trainer accepts.
Roger... gonna have to take some
acting classes if he goes.(He needs Rafael's acting coach, not McQwire's.)

[hi_im_god]

innocent people falsely accused scream at the top of their lungs.

the guilty wait a long time and then issue carefully nuanced language in controlled environments.

if the trainer is lying he should be screaming that. he isn't.

i'm not sure what his publicists expect to accomplish with this nonsense outside another paycheck.

he's paying a lot of money to people so he can be pete rose until he decides that having 100% of people know he's a cheater and liar is better than the bill for making that only 98%.

[horseofcourse]

Roger Clemens never took performance enhancing drugs...ever!! Neither did Marion Jones either.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by pgardn

No court of law yet.
Innocent until proven guilty.

But having dealt with people
who find it necessary to lie
when stuck in a bad situation;
And then presenting the evidence...

I am inclined to believe he is a big fat liar.

Why would his trainer implicate Andy
and Roger playing dodger, Andy comes
clean, but not Roger?

Why does he say his trainer did not inject
him and then say he did but it was B-12?


What the hell does his trainer gain by
implicating Roger? His trainer would have
a hell of a lot more to lose than he already
has if he did not come clean with everyone.

Is there anybody that believes this guy?

The only question left for me is if Roger
is as fat as his lies.

And now this just in. Both his trainer
and the dodger have been asked to
testify before congress.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/sp...hp&oref=slogin

The truth noose tightens.
Bet: Trainer accepts.
Roger... gonna have to take some
acting classes if he goes.(He needs Rafael's acting coach, not McQwire's.)

Its all B-12 shots these days.
Tejada....Palmeiro.....

"Give me that so-called B-12 shot would you?" (wink) (wink)

[horseofcourse]

...sex...lies....and AUDIO TAPE!!

[King Glorious]

21 times in the phone conversations, the trainers asked Roger "what do you want me to do?" Roger told him he's having a press conference Monday. The trainer asked if Roger wanted him to fly out. Maybe it's me but I would have liked to hear just once, instead of Roger saying "I'm just going to tell the truth", to say "I want you to come out and be right there next to me and admit that you lied and I didn't do it." Just once. I was listening to the tape and waiting to hear Roger ask "WHY DID YOU LIE ON ME???" The guy was pleading with Roger to tell him what he wanted him to do and all Roger would say is "I just need SOMEBODY to tell the truth Mac." That's bullshit. Then to top it off, in Roger's news conference later, Clemens says that he'd be afraid for the trainers' safety if he came out to the conference because his family is very upset and he's very upset. So what? Is he saying that some harm would come to the guy while he was there to clear Clemens' name? That doesn't make sense. Not much of this makes any sense.

What do you want me to do?
Get your ass here and admit that you lied.

Sounds simple enough to say to me.

[alysheba4]

remember when he fired a sawed off bat at piazza??? said he thought it was the ball.........

[Nascar1966]

Clemens now is the same as Barry Bonds. They are pieces of crap and liars along with being a disgrace to baseball. Its a shame that people like McGuire get snubbed by the Hall of Fame. He admitted to using something that when he used it was legal. As far as I am concerned Baseball can go to HELL!!!!!

[The Bid]

He cheated, Bonds cheated, they all cheated. You dont have the best years of your life in your 40s unless youre being helped along. I believe that Roger started using steroids when he joined the Yankees, he obviously was lay up to the Hall of Fame before he signed on with them. Its the competitive nature and love of the game that makes any of these great athletes cheat. I do think Bonds and Clemens, and anyone else who used steroids should be allowed in the HOF with one condition, they shouldnt be allowed to hold down all time records. They should be in on their merit, but all time stats should be void because its impossible to say when the cheating started.

For the record I also think Pete Rose belongs in the HOF

Originally Posted by The Bid

He cheated, Bonds cheated, they all cheated. You dont have the best years of your life in your 40s unless youre being helped along. I believe that Roger started using steroids when he joined the Yankees, he obviously was lay up to the Hall of Fame before he signed on with them. Its the competitive nature and love of the game that makes any of these great athletes cheat. I do think Bonds and Clemens, and anyone else who used steroids should be allowed in the HOF with one condition, they shouldnt be allowed to hold down all time records. They should be in on their merit, but all time stats should be void because its impossible to say when the cheating started.

For the record I also think Pete Rose belongs in the HOF

Bonds was great as a young man without them, so was Clemens, and Rose was a fantastic player. The all are HOF. I just cant respect any of them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Bonds was great as a young man without them, so was Clemens, and Rose was a fantastic player. The all are HOF. I just cant respect any of them.

I'm sure they will be very upset to find this out

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure they will be very upset to find this out

As well they should be as I am a man of dignity and fame.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

As well they should be as I am a man of dignity and fame.

But not fortune?

[King Glorious]

I find it interesting that people look at Pettitte and say that he's an honest guy and has all of this integrity. The guy is a liar just like the rest of them. When he was taking the stuff, wasn't he cheating? Oh wait, it was supposedly to help him recover. So then he umm, "comes clean" and admits his use. Only he didn't come clean. He admitted part of the truth. Now he admits that he actually used it more than when he said he did when he came clean. Yeah, really honest guy, full of integrity.

[MaTH716]

Listen, I am not one of those people who gets on top of a soapbox to hear themselves talk, but as far as this whole case goes. WHO CARES! Are you telling me that the government doesn't have better things that they can do with their time then to grill people involved with baseball on whether they have done steroids or not. It's baseball's problem and let them try to clean it up. What's next, hearings on if the Patriots really cheated in the super bowl.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Listen, I am not one of those people who gets on top of a soapbox to hear themselves talk, but as far as this whole case goes. WHO CARES! Are you telling me that the government doesn't have better things that they can do with their time then to grill people involved with baseball on whether they have done steroids or not. It's baseball's problem and let them try to clean it up. What's next, hearings on if the Patriots really cheated in the super bowl.

I'm with you. I don't care who used drugs. There is no point at all to this investigation. No matter who they find out used them, they can't do anything to them so what is the point? And the hearings on the Pats is beyond ridiculous. At least with steroids, it involves drugs that were illegal. This videotaping thing was a league rule, not a law. If the commissioner goes in there and says that the Pats videotaped every opponent's practice and secretly installed cameras and taped their private meetings too, what can congress do about that? Absolutely NOTHING. So why is this senator even involving himself? They must really have nothing better to do at all.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm with you. I don't care who used drugs. There is no point at all to this investigation. No matter who they find out used them, they can't do anything to them so what is the point? And the hearings on the Pats is beyond ridiculous. At least with steroids, it involves drugs that were illegal. This videotaping thing was a league rule, not a law. If the commissioner goes in there and says that the Pats videotaped every opponent's practice and secretly installed cameras and taped their private meetings too, what can congress do about that? Absolutely NOTHING. So why is this senator even involving himself? They must really have nothing better to do at all.

There was no point UNTIL NOW. Some of these idiots lied in sworn testimony. That is perjury. Roger has now made this a point. I am a famous baseball player, I can say what I want to whomever.
frickn idiot...

Once you start to weave a web of lies...
YOU DONT LIE WHEN UNDER SWORN
TESTIMONY. YOU CAN GO TO JAIL.

There is another small point. The federal
government has given these sports a bit
of an antitrust free ride. When commisioners
etc... dont come clean; some congressmen who do
not believe baseball and some other pro sports
should enjoy exemptions that even the great
Microsoft might not get away with... Stupid commisioners
and players should just cooperate.
Then it all goes away. Then they can go directly
to the dealers as the government was trying to do
in the first place. It is a federal law... dealing these drugs.


And one last point. This stupid steriod stuff has cost my
State money as High School athletes have started to
use this stuff. So the state is going to randomly test
athletes in ALL sports. It has trickled down. By stock
in testing companies.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by pgardn

There was no point UNTIL NOW. Some of these idiots lied in sworn testimony. That is perjury. Roger has now made this a point. I am a famous baseball player, I can say what I want to whomever.
frickn idiot...

Once you start to weave a web of lies...
YOU DONT LIE WHEN UNDER SWORN
TESTIMONY. YOU CAN GO TO JAIL.

There is another small point. The federal
government has given these sports a bit
of an antitrust free ride. When commisioners
etc... dont come clean; some congressmen who do
not believe baseball and some other pro sports
should enjoy exemptions that even the great
Microsoft might not get away with... Stupid commisioners
and players should just cooperate.
Then it all goes away. Then they can go directly
to the dealers as the government was trying to do
in the first place. It is a federal law... dealing these drugs.


And one last point. This stupid steriod stuff has cost my
State money as High School athletes have started to
use this stuff. So the state is going to randomly test
athletes in ALL sports. It has trickled down. By stock
in testing companies.

All high school students that play sports must take/pass physicals. That is where they could and should be tested.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

All high school students that play sports must take/pass physicals. That is where they could and should be tested.

They take physicals before school begins
in order to be enrolled in athletic "classes".
They could easily roid it up after that.
Plenty of time before football gets into full swing.
Participants will be tested at random times throughout
the year.

Hopefully all this will go away and
the State will not have to waste
taxpayers money on all this in future years.

BTW it was a Republican Governor
that wanted this done.

[Cannon Shell]

Arod uses Viagra