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Old 01-29-2008, 02:44 PM
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The Cliff's Edge is by the same sire - but has a MUCH inferior female family.

However, he was also MUCH more horse than CV.
You sure about that?

To this point in their career they have very similar credentials. Cliff's Edge didn't run a real fast race at 2 either despite two graded stakes wins.

I stand by my $10k stud fee assessment on Court Vision.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:55 PM
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You sure about that?

To this point in their career they have very similar credentials. Cliff's Edge didn't run a real fast race at 2 either despite two graded stakes wins.
You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:00 PM
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You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.

It's all about consistancy....and Phil's just trying to keep all of his posts in this thread of equal inaccuracy.
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:02 PM
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You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.
If the Beyers were that high I stand corrected, I remembered them both being below 90.

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It's all about consistancy....and Phil's just trying to keep all of his posts in this thread of equal inaccuracy.
I'm trying hard.

But my point remains the same: Court Vision would be a $10k sire if he retired today.
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:17 PM
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Based off that alone - I think it's fair to say Haskin couldn't handicap his way out of a paper bag.
i can see byks eyes bugging out...lol
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:26 PM
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You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.
He was also the morning line favorite for the Derby. Didn't he lose a shoe or two in the Derby as well?

He still ran better than my pick (Master David) who is STILL trying to finish that race.
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:27 PM
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i can see byks eyes bugging out...lol
He doesn't have Court Vision #1 I hope....

Haskin writes well anyway.
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He was also the morning line favorite for the Derby. Didn't he lose a shoe or two in the Derby as well?

He still ran better than my pick (Master David) who is STILL trying to finish that race.
He's not only still trying to finish THAT race.....I think he's still trying to finish a $35K claimer at Delta.
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If the Beyers were that high I stand corrected, I remembered them both being below 90.
His 101 Beyer in the Iroquios was the highest ever earned in the history of that race.

Harlan's Holiday's 99 is 2nd. Exploit's 98 is 3rd.

www.drf.com/row/pps/thecliffsedge.pdf
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His 101 Beyer in the Iroquios was the highest ever earned in the history of that race.

Harlan's Holiday's 99 is 2nd. Exploit's 98 is 3rd.

www.drf.com/row/pps/thecliffsedge.pdf
I know that there's absolutely zero correlation but interesting that two of the highest ML favorites in the history of the Derby topped the list.
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I could be wrong but I believe Master David was sold to South American interests for 35k. May have been Puerto Rico, I dont recall. Whatever it was its a far cry from lexington.
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One of his old owners is a windchime salesman.
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i think i like this horse abit sounds like COURT FOLLY..
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Who sells windchimes my grandmas birthday is next month
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He's not only still trying to finish THAT race.....I think he's still trying to finish a $35K claimer at Delta.
Horrible... but true.
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One of his old owners is a windchime salesman.

And he owes me $20.
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Oracle owned a piece?
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no.....hes the reason i like court folly........beat songster and killed his pick 4ticket.....lol...had to be there....
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But my point remains the same: Court Vision would be a $10k sire if he retired today.
When he retires his fee will be around 1k.
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When he retires his fee will be around 1k.
1k? Nah, I agree with Phil here.
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