IEAH buys into Court Vision - Page 3

blackthroatedwind · #41 01-29-2008, 12:50 PM

$5 million for Court Vision is a real head scratcher.

I hope for their sake he works out better than Adagio.

The Bid · #42 01-29-2008, 12:52 PM

Adagio, Pshew. What a stinker.

I do like Frost Giant

blackthroatedwind · #43 01-29-2008, 12:54 PM

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Adagio, Pshew. What a stinker.

I do like Frost Giant

Another great purchase.

They've had a couple terrific purchases, no doubt, but they get a lot more publicity than the disasters.

Great game.....but a brutal game.

The Bid · #44 01-29-2008, 01:00 PM

Ive always thought if you really know what you are doing there is no need to pay premium for any horse. If you are confident in what you are doing, how you are buying, and who you are dealing with, why would you want to pay top dollar?

philcski · #45 01-29-2008, 01:01 PM

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ok. guess you guys have this one figured out already. You must be sharper than them. who are they in this game anyway???dont know what they paid. heard rumors of a 5mm valuation

$5mm doesn't seem too unreasonable. Horse probably stands for 10k if they retire him today, that's about a $3mm value right now (100 mares a year X 3 years) Hey, I give them credit for building a partnership up to the level where they can get a Derby starter or a BC winner.

I just can never, ever forgive the A One Rocket debacle.

blackthroatedwind · #46 01-29-2008, 01:06 PM

I have a hard time believing that horse could get paid $10K for 100 covers.

And, I'm not quite sure the horse business will be unaffected by a recession.

The Bid · #47 01-29-2008, 01:08 PM

Hed stand for 5k if he retired right now and stayed in Kentucky. Hes like a Mr Sekiguchi at this point.

The only saver is Winstar can support him.

He would also get very few decent mares. The oversaturated stallion market wouldnt accept an unproven horse like this for 10k. Not in kentucky

Kasept · #48 01-29-2008, 01:36 PM

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blackthroatedwind · #49 01-29-2008, 01:39 PM

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An FYI..

When something has the little 'c' in a circle, and words like 'copyright' and 'all rights reserved', it tends to mean that the writing is copyrighted and its' rights are reserved...

DO NOT CUT AND PASTE BODY COPY... Excerpts, snippets and quotes are OK... Completely lifted, copyrighted material is not...

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You can't even get a good shill these days.

philcski · #50 01-29-2008, 01:54 PM

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I have a hard time believing that horse could get paid $10K for 100 covers.

And, I'm not quite sure the horse business will be unaffected by a recession.

100 is doubtful, but that's what they calculate off of.

FYI, my $10k estimation is based off of The Cliff's Edge who stands for that amount, who has a similar pedigree and only somewhat more accomplished (despite being certainly faster).

blackthroatedwind · #51 01-29-2008, 01:59 PM

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100 is doubtful, but that's what they calculate off of.

FYI, my $10k estimation is based off of The Cliff's Edge who stands for that amount, who has a similar pedigree and only somewhat more accomplished (despite being certainly faster).

Only somewhat? He won the Blue Grass, was second in the Travers, and third in the JCGC ( which, for whatever it's worth, he would have won if he didn't break his leg ).

I think he was more than somewhat more accomplished.

Scav · #52 01-29-2008, 02:03 PM

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Only somewhat? He won the Blue Grass, was second in the Travers, and third in the JCGC ( which, for whatever it's worth, he would have won if he didn't break his leg ).

I think he was more than somewhat more accomplished.

I left that softball for you.....and I didn't want to research on exact races he won.

I think the bottom side of Court Vision is what has people all up in arms and gaga

SniperSB23 · #53 01-29-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

100 is doubtful, but that's what they calculate off of.

FYI, my $10k estimation is based off of The Cliff's Edge who stands for that amount, who has a similar pedigree and only somewhat more accomplished (despite being certainly faster).

Cliff's Edge covered 55 mares in 2007, his third year at stud. That likely means less than 40 live foals. To count on 100 a year for 3 years with a questionable stallion prospect doesn't seem very realistic.

slotdirt · #54 01-29-2008, 02:19 PM

I don't have the link in front of me, but Steve Haskin lists Court Vision as his #1 Derby prospect at this point on the Derby Trail. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, just stating that fact.

slotdirt · #55 01-29-2008, 02:19 PM

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43400

philcski · #56 01-29-2008, 02:24 PM

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Only somewhat? He won the Blue Grass, was second in the Travers, and third in the JCGC ( which, for whatever it's worth, he would have won if he didn't break his leg ).

I think he was more than somewhat more accomplished.

I seriously doubt finishing third in the JCGC did anything for his stud career (although i don't disagree he was best, I bet him in that race). His second in the Travers was very good, but again, that doesn't add all that much to his stallion value (and yes... I bet him in that race too.) That leaves the Blue Grass... while a very important race, hasn't been a stallion producer either.

You gotta remember who we're dealing with in the breeding industry... bloodlines mean just as much as race accomplishments.

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Cliff's Edge covered 55 mares in 2007, his third year at stud. That likely means less than 40 live foals. To count on 100 a year for 3 years with a questionable stallion prospect doesn't seem very realistic.

Agreed, however that's what I've been told the formula is.

blackthroatedwind · #57 01-29-2008, 02:29 PM

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I don't have the link in front of me, but Steve Haskin lists Court Vision as his #1 Derby prospect at this point on the Derby Trail. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, just stating that fact.

We all know Haskin has an affinity for slow horses.

Sightseek · #58 01-29-2008, 02:32 PM

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We all know Haskin has an affinity for slow horses.

He did tout Bandit though!

The Indomitable DrugS · #59 01-29-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

100 is doubtful, but that's what they calculate off of.

FYI, my $10k estimation is based off of The Cliff's Edge who stands for that amount, who has a similar pedigree and only somewhat more accomplished (despite being certainly faster).

The Cliff's Edge is by the same sire - but has a MUCH inferior female family.

However, he was also MUCH more horse than CV.

The Indomitable DrugS · #60 01-29-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't have the link in front of me, but Steve Haskin lists Court Vision as his #1 Derby prospect at this point on the Derby Trail. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, just stating that fact.

Based off that alone - I think it's fair to say Haskin couldn't handicap his way out of a paper bag.