IEAH buys into Court Vision

[mp3]

so , you are saying this horse has no shot to win a big one????

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by mp3

so , you are saying this horse has no shot to win a big one????

I said nothing of the kind. There are plenty of slow horses out there and any horse can make a big jump from 2 to 3....and Bill Mott is certainly as good a trainer as there is at bringing a horse along.

I think it's funny that many people are knocking other 3YOs, that have already run, as being too slow ( and they may be right ) yet they are already lengths faster than Court Vision and he seems to be held in high regard right now. Personally he reminds me of that slow Patrick Biancone horse from a few years ago ( he actually won a prep at Fair Grounds ). Horses with late bursts of speed often fool people into thinking they are better than they are and they are not only usually too slow but also need very good set ups to get lucky.

Right now there is one very fast and proven horse that is now 3....War Pass. Now, obviously he has real distance question marks, and if he proves not to be able to go long the Classic races are open to a great many horses. However, Court Vision is still much slower than most of those. Could that change? Absolutely, but I highly doubt his chances are commiserate with what was paid for him.

[The Bid]

Scipion, yes very similar. I think he ended up being a highpriced lawn mower

[mp3]

respect your post. well stated. I guess the rest needs to be digested

[The Bid]

Im looking forward to Big Brown

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Scipion, yes very similar. I think he ended up being a highpriced lawn mower

Yes, sir, Scipion ended his career in a N2X on turf at Belmont finishing eighth at 5-1. That was actually this past July.

That's right his two wins were the dazzling maiden race at Saratoga in 2004 that completely fell apart and the Risen Star in February 2005.

NT

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I said nothing of the kind. There are plenty of slow horses out there and any horse can make a big jump from 2 to 3....and Bill Mott is certainly as good a trainer as there is at bringing a horse along.

I think it's funny that many people are knocking other 3YOs, that have already run, as being too slow ( and they may be right ) yet they are already lengths faster than Court Vision and he seems to be held in high regard right now. Personally he reminds me of that slow Patrick Biancone horse from a few years ago ( he actually won a prep at Fair Grounds ). Horses with late bursts of speed often fool people into thinking they are better than they are and they are not only usually too slow but also need very good set ups to get lucky.

Right now there is one very fast and proven horse that is now 3....War Pass. Now, obviously he has real distance question marks, and if he proves not to be able to go long the Classic races are open to a great many horses. However, Court Vision is still much slower than most of those. Could that change? Absolutely, but I highly doubt his chances are commiserate with what was paid for him.

I agree and I think this is a main part of the reason why horses like Pyro, Tale of Ekati and many others who really haven't done anything dazzling are being considered as serious contenders.

The quality of the Remsen is also a big concern as the three horses who have come back out of it all didn't really look too good.

3rd place finisher Trust N Dustan finished last of six in a N2X at Gulfstream on Saturday as the longest shot on the board.

4th place finisher Big Truck finished fifth of eight in the Hutcheson (G2) at Gulfstream on 1/5 at 9/2

The ill-fated last place finisher Tide Dancer finished seven of eight in the Maryland Juvenile Championship and then broke down in a 25k claimer at Philly.

NT

[The Bid]

Looks like a keyrace. Maybe they should hire you to do their analysis. Its very easy to get caught in a trap with a mediocre horse beating s hit and doing it the right way.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Looks like a keyrace. Maybe they should hire you to do their analysis. Its very easy to get caught in a trap with a mediocre horse beating s hit and doing it the right way.

I did also forget to include how much slower the Remsen was than the Demoiselle.

NT

[The Bid]

I agree with you 100 percent.

Its easy to spend other peoples money. Its not easy to select good horses

Maybe that read differently than how I meant it. I do think its a bad race, and I do think the horse is a phoney, and I do think it was well sold by Winstar

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I agree with you 100 percent.

Its easy to spend other peoples money. Its not easy to select good horses

Sorry then, I took it the wrong way. I bought How to Interpret Internet Sarcasm for Dummies and it clearly hasn't taken.

NT

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I agree with you 100 percent.

Its easy to spend other peoples money. Its not easy to select good horses

Maybe that read differently than how I meant it. I do think its a bad race, and I do think the horse is a phoney, and I do think it was well sold by Winstar

Honestly in this case I don't think IEAH even cares that he's probably too slow to win the Derby, he's got a good chance of getting there and that's all they want, to pimp their product and that's obviously the biggest stage to do it on.

On BC day there were more people with IEAH gear on than any other thing... kind of disappointing


Disclaimer... I do like the horse, bet him heavy in the CD race and made a nice score. Just don't like IEAH.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Scipion, yes very similar. I think he ended up being a highpriced lawn mower

LOL... with a free kickstarter of cobra venom

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I agree and I think this is a main part of the reason why horses like Pyro, Tale of Ekati and many others who really haven't done anything dazzling are being considered as serious contenders.

The quality of the Remsen is also a big concern as the three horses who have come back out of it all didn't really look too good.

3rd place finisher Trust N Dustan finished last of six in a N2X at Gulfstream on Saturday as the longest shot on the board.

4th place finisher Big Truck finished fifth of eight in the Hutcheson (G2) at Gulfstream on 1/5 at 9/2

The ill-fated last place finisher Tide Dancer finished seven of eight in the Maryland Juvenile Championship and then broke down in a 25k claimer at Philly.

NT

Agree completely on the Remsen... went to Aqu that day and while I had Court Vision I was not at all impressed with the race. He's definitely a play against in the FoY.