It happened again! (End tote malfunction)

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

OK Cannon. I'll stick to betting, you stick to training and pontificating on anything related to horses, and everything else for that matter. Your record certainly speaks for itself.

Here we go

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

Here we go

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more about than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well. I'll "get over it".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well.

Well I sure dont seem to know as much about past posting as you do.

[cmorioles]

Couldn't think of any more ignorant bobsledding comments?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Couldn't think of any more ignorant bobsledding comments?

Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.

If you used "pal" instead of "dude", you would have sounded tougher, for future reference

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

live on ppv cannon vs cmoriles

the battle of the tote

69.95 on dish network

a pillow production..

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

live on ppv cannon vs cmoriles

the battle of the tote

69.95 on dish network

a pillow production..

He's got no shot.

[cmorioles]

I realize Cannon is a decent guy. I also know he usually seems to be very pro bettor. This is why I guess I let the "get over it" comment bug me. I should have dropped it, but I didn't. It is all part of my overall frustration with the poor technology in the sport. Tote technology, timing (including run ups), horrible chart calls, poor drug testing, ridiculous online betting situation, etc.

I shouldn't have stooped to anything personal. The bobsledding thing pissed me off since Cannon knows nothing about me or why I'm in Belgium, and it had nothing to do with anything. I suppose it was funny at some level I guess. I reacted poorly. Oh well, time to move on.

[TheSpyder]

I would guess, and I'm saying guess, that there are far more fixed races than any problem with a sticky stop betting button. It's nice for all the editorial comments here but hard to see any conclusion that will really manner.

In a sport that is given life by people's opinions, it so entertaining to read views on any particular subject here as all of us handicap life differently.

For me the biggest issue in the sport today is me winning the next damn race. That, and the blatant discrimination against 6 foot tall jockeys...it's a shame.

But what do I know?

Spyder

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I realize Cannon is a decent guy. I also know he usually seems to be very pro bettor. This is why I guess I let the "get over it" comment bug me. I should have dropped it, but I didn't. It is all part of my overall frustration with the poor technology in the sport. Tote technology, timing (including run ups), horrible chart calls, poor drug testing, ridiculous online betting situation, etc.

I shouldn't have stooped to anything personal. The bobsledding thing pissed me off since Cannon knows nothing about me or why I'm in Belgium, and it had nothing to do with anything. I suppose it was funny at some level I guess. I reacted poorly. Oh well, time to move on.

I think that if you read my posts in the original thread you would see that I said if it is happening all the time or someone is gaining an advantage than it is a big problem. Instead of reacting negatively to one comment like you guys did at the time and again yesterday. Perhaps I was wrongly assuming that the incident was an isolated case as was explained to me not only in the print media but by an exec at a major track related to the situation. Obviously it is happening at a greater frequency than first realized but I still have a hard time believing that tracks can tie individual tickets to players and chase down uncashed tickets through wagering accounts but cant definitively tell you that the pools are closed on time.

I will say that the attitude towards the horsemen and women on this site and others by bettors is troublesome. The relationship is a symbiotic one where each side cant exist without the other. Andy has said on many occasions that he feels that we are all in this together which I totally agree with. I was exposed to this sport at a young age through gambling (which in itself may be troubling) and I realize the importance of the dedication and tenacity of a group of hard core players that keeps the revenues flowing through the windows despite the long list of issues and little voice to speak for them. I realize as do many other horsemen that we need you guys to keep the sport alive. But you need us too. You need the thousands of people who dedicate their lives to putting on the show, most for a pittance. You need the thousands of owners that invest in horseflesh knowing that the odds of them breaking even are long and making money are even further remote. Your pick 4 investment may be an hour long deal for you but when I buy a yearling I am investing not only the purchase price of the horse but tens of thousands of dollars in expenses and in some cases years of time. To say that we should not have an interest in artificial surfaces because they are hard to handicap is wrong. Finding joy in horses getting injured because it 'proves' you were 'right' is wrong. We didn't invent these surfaces but we have to deal with them just as you do. Not all of our horses handle it and it is a major pain in the ass when that happens. Maybe bettors are pissed off when the tracks made the change without regard for them but Keeneland didn't give us a vote and probably wouldn't have listened anyway. As I said before the condescending attitude that as a bettor you are paying my salary is just bs. Try telling the state policeman giving you a ticket, that you pay his salary via taxes and he must listen to you. You are playing the for the same reason that we are owning and training, to make money. I dont buy horses to provide entertainment for you to wager on just as you dont wager to provide purses for me. So at least respect the fact that to some the welfare of the horses in their care, in many cases their friends, means as much to them as wagering security and clean racing means to you. Sorry for the ramble and the bobsled and waffle boy remarks.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I realize Cannon is a decent guy. I also know he usually seems to be very pro bettor. This is why I guess I let the "get over it" comment bug me. I should have dropped it, but I didn't. It is all part of my overall frustration with the poor technology in the sport. Tote technology, timing (including run ups), horrible chart calls, poor drug testing, ridiculous online betting situation, etc.

I shouldn't have stooped to anything personal. The bobsledding thing pissed me off since Cannon knows nothing about me or why I'm in Belgium, and it had nothing to do with anything. I suppose it was funny at some level I guess. I reacted poorly. Oh well, time to move on.

Chuck is MORE than a decent guy, he's a great guy. I think you might have missed the humor in the bobsledding thing (is that really a sport in Belgium??)

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.

I really have no desire to go over that whole debate again, but in fairness to those involved, I think it should be pointed out that people were not, as you seem to indicate, calling the individual you mentioned "a racist." People were labeling a picture that individual posted as "racist."
There is a significant difference there.

[otisotisotis]

after all of this, i still can't figure how the bettor gets screwed?
either you are picking winners or not. maybe you lose a tick on the odds, but i could sit there all day and bet horses after they break and still not have a clue.
does it matter if someone wants to drop $5g's when a horse is 4-1 or 3-1?
i don't know, i would just like to see where it actually hurts the majority (or rather the winning minority)?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I really have no desire to go over that whole debate again, but in fairness to those involved, I think it should be pointed out that people were not, as you seem to indicate, calling the individual you mentioned "a racist." People were labeling a picture that individual posted as "racist."
There is a significant difference there.

True but that was a fairly hostile exchange which was what I was referring to. BTW that Indian horse has really taken America by storm. LOL

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I just got off my high horse, took me awhile, but here we go. CJ has pretty much covered the entire topic. Chuck, I wasn't bitching or complaining to you. Maybe you need to get off your high horse a little. My point was it's happeneing A LOT and your response of "get over it" when this was first discussed was s hitty IMO and a lot of other bettors agreed. I believe even a few mentioned it then.

I realize you bet yourself and understand our gripes and I'm not trying to play the without me, there is no you game. But it would have been nice for you to admit it happens more than you originally thought and maybe understood why that comment rubbed people the wrong way. Maybe we'll just agree to disagree about this.

When you quote me I find it hard to believe that it wasn't directed at me. What difference does it make to you if I say "get over it" especially when directed to a person not even on the board? Am I now the voice of Backside USA? My first post on this thread was "I was wrong". Did you miss that?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're flipping more than Mitt Romney here. First you blew off what you said, now you are admitting it.

My comment was directed at you, because you made the initial comment. But I wasn't complaining to you. Just pointing out you were incorrect the first time.

No, you are not voice of backside USA, but you like to play it here sometimes. Can't really have it both ways. I'm sure you would have called someone out on a s hitty comment as well. it's okay to be wrong sometimes, the Dee Tee faithful will still love you and defend you blindly.

Huh? How can I flip about what I said? It is right there in black and white. You and CJ seem to have some personal anomisity with your snide comments. I dont know why but suit yourself.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nothing personal man. I didn't care for your comment, that's it.

I guess not since you are still bringing it up a month later.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

what would jesus do?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

what would jesus do?

he'd bet the off.