It happened again! (End tote malfunction)

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A guy in what position? Your attitude that I should personally owe you something because you bet is something that I dislike. You dont bet for my benefit nor does anyone else. You are trying to make money, not support horseracing or horseman. I think it is important that you write letters but I also think that the only way you will get the tracks to listen to you is through a wide campaign or even better show them financially. If the other boards are doing something like this then why dont you bring it here?

What position? Well, a position that wouldn't exist without betting.

I didn't say you owe me anything. However, when you brush aside bettors getting a raw deal because of poor technology, I'll respond every time. It is typical of those that work on the backside and in management. Not everyone of course, but the majority.

I've posted plenty of dumb comments on message boards. Usually, I'll realize it eventually, and I'm pretty stubborn. If my posts here seem like they are personal, you'll just have to get over it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

What position? Well, a position that wouldn't exist without betting.

I didn't say you owe me anything. However, when you brush aside bettors getting a raw deal because of poor technology, I'll respond every time. It is typical of those that work on the backside and in management. Not everyone of course, but the majority.

I've posted plenty of dumb comments on message boards. Usually, I'll realize it eventually, and I'm pretty stubborn. If my posts here seem like they are personal, you'll just have to get over it.

Please spare me the 'you wouldnt have a job without us' crap. I am well aware of the place where bettors exist in the grand scheme of horse racing. If you ever took the time to read many of my other posts on the subject of the gambler and his/her importance you would see where I stand.

I still believe that this subject has been vastly blown out of proportion by some and I have yet to see anything posted here that would change my mind. The tote system that is in place now may need to be modernized but some seem to be saying that people or persons are unfairly taking advantage of the system. If true then it should be a criminal investigation. But mechanical errors are just that. Errors.

I will tell you what else is typical is the arrogance of those who bet who constantly think that the sport is always doing wrong by them. We screwed the bettors with artificial tracks. We screwed the bettors with too many Breeders Cup races. We screwed the bettors with a 10 cent supers. I would tell anyone that if you dont feel that horse racing is on the up and up then dont play. No one is forcing you to play horses. Not because I benefit or not. But because if you truly dont think things are fair or you are getting a raw deal why continue?

It is the same argument that people make when horses are DQ'ed for medication positives. They want their money back. The Bettors got screwed!!! But what about the bettors that cashed on those races? Do they offer to pay back the money they unjustly won? Because that is who has "your" money. The other bettors who benefited. Not the track. Not the horseman.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please spare me the 'you wouldnt have a job without us' crap. I am well aware of the place where bettors exist in the grand scheme of horse racing. If you ever took the time to read many of my other posts on the subject of the gambler and his/her importance you would see where I stand.

I still believe that this subject has been vastly blown out of proportion by some and I have yet to see anything posted here that would change my mind. The tote system that is in place now may need to be modernized but some seem to be saying that people or persons are unfairly taking advantage of the system. If true then it should be a criminal investigation. But mechanical errors are just that. Errors.

I will tell you what else is typical is the arrogance of those who bet who constantly think that the sport is always doing wrong by them. We screwed the bettors with artificial tracks. We screwed the bettors with too many Breeders Cup races. We screwed the bettors with a 10 cent supers. I would tell anyone that if you dont feel that horse racing is on the up and up then dont play. No one is forcing you to play horses. Not because I benefit or not. But because if you truly dont think things are fair or you are getting a raw deal why continue?

It is the same argument that people make when horses are DQ'ed for medication positives. They want their money back. The Bettors got screwed!!! But what about the bettors that cashed on those races? Do they offer to pay back the money they unjustly won? Because that is who has "your" money. The other bettors who benefited. Not the track. Not the horseman.

OK Cannon. I'll stick to betting, you stick to training and pontificating on anything related to horses, and everything else for that matter. Your record certainly speaks for itself.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

OK Cannon. I'll stick to betting, you stick to training and pontificating on anything related to horses, and everything else for that matter. Your record certainly speaks for itself.

Coming from an Orioles fan, that really hurts

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

OK Cannon. I'll stick to betting, you stick to training and pontificating on anything related to horses, and everything else for that matter. Your record certainly speaks for itself.

Here we go

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

Here we go

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more about than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well. I'll "get over it".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well.

Well I sure dont seem to know as much about past posting as you do.

[cmorioles]

Couldn't think of any more ignorant bobsledding comments?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

what would jesus do?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more about than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well. I'll "get over it".

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

I hope I don't get the opportunity to past post because then if I lost I'd feel really dumb.

NT

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.

I don't know if it is rampant. Phil provided some statistical data I've seen other places as well that are certainly worth investigating. The problem is, the tracks have no incentive to investigate. It would probably be very bad if they did and found out past posting was going on.

It doesn't change that there shouldn't be any chance for this to happen. There is more than enough technology available to prevent this from EVER happening. Why is this mechanical in the first place? That is ridiculous.

[packerbacker7964]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

How many times have you tried to bet past post time?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Scav

Here we go

What can I say? I am a gambler-hating backstretch guy who can't believe that bettors are getting screwed on a daily basis by the evil past posters. Can not believe Joe Bruno or Spitzer hasn't jumped on this yet.