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Old 10-08-2007, 05:32 PM
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Really? I'd love to hear about the 7 hitters that are better than he. Think hard.
Well Arod, Pujols and Bonds are easy. Ortiz, Vlad, Holiday, Berkman, Cabrera are all in the same mix considering his last 2 years. Frank Thomas may have slipped but had a high peak, Griffey too. I like Manny as a hitter but he is not in the same class as the first three anymore and has certainly benefited from Fenway.

He has had an amazing run and has always been a great run producer is a surefire HOF.

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Old 10-09-2007, 09:49 PM
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None of those guys ever got in 165 runs.



He has played just about half his time in Cleveland so that tosses the Fenway thing...his best years were here,too ...he does stink in the field and on the bases,but is a natural born hitter.

I would think he certainly is in the same class with the first 3....but that's just a predator speaking.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:23 AM
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None of those guys ever got in 165 runs.



He has played just about half his time in Cleveland so that tosses the Fenway thing...his best years were here,too ...he does stink in the field and on the bases,but is a natural born hitter.

I would think he certainly is in the same class with the first 3....but that's just a predator speaking.
Of course if the 165 are taken in context of the brief era of 70 hrs seasons it is not quite so impressive though you could surely make the same case for Bonds
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Of course if the 165 are taken in context of the brief era of 70 hrs seasons it is not quite so impressive though you could surely make the same case for Bonds
I don't think Shirley can.


Which is also why Rameriz is a top 3 guy.

He also should be very close to Gehrigs 23 grand slam record.....but not a big deal.
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Old 10-10-2007, 01:34 PM
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None of those guys ever got in 165 runs.



He has played just about half his time in Cleveland so that tosses the Fenway thing...his best years were here,too ...he does stink in the field and on the bases,but is a natural born hitter.

I would think he certainly is in the same class with the first 3....but that's just a predator speaking.
Mau Duw, I agree with Morti...I thought this was impossible...
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Mau Duw, I agree with Morti...I thought this was impossible...



Think Dylan Thomas here.
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Old 10-10-2007, 04:18 PM
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If I had to rank the top 10 hitters in baseball as of right now, I think I would have to go with this;

1. David Ortiz
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Vladimir Guerrero
6. Ryan Howard
7. Matt Holliday
8. Magglio Ordóñez
9. Chase Utley
10. Todd Helton or Ichiro Suzuki

Again, just in my opinion...however, you could swap 3-20 on most lists and probably have a valid arguement for each...
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Old 10-10-2007, 08:00 PM
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If I had to rank the top 10 hitters in baseball as of right now, I think I would have to go with this;

1. David Ortiz
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Vladimir Guerrero
6. Ryan Howard
7. Matt Holliday
8. Magglio Ordóñez
9. Chase Utley
10. Todd Helton or Ichiro Suzuki

Again, just in my opinion...however, you could swap 3-20 on most lists and probably have a valid arguement for each...
Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2
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Old 10-10-2007, 08:02 PM
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Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2
A-Rod?


You mean Mr. August?
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Old 10-11-2007, 11:23 AM
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Howard too high though I have a hard time understanding how Arod and Pujols arent 1 and 2
I would give it to Ortiz because he is so clutch. No better clutch hitter.


Over the last 5 years;

ARod - .300 avg, 28 2B, 2 3B, 44 HR, 126 RBI, .401 OBP

Ortiz - .302 avg, 41 2B, 2 3B, 44 HR, 128 RBI, .401 OBP

Pujols- .336 avg, 42 2B, 1 3B, 42 HR, 121 RBI, .429 OBP


Based on that, I have no problem with Pujols being #1. I would still say ARod is #3, easily.
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Old 10-10-2007, 08:30 PM
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If I had to rank the top 10 hitters in baseball as of right now, I think I would have to go with this;

1. David Ortiz
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Vladimir Guerrero
6. Ryan Howard
7. Matt Holliday
8. Magglio Ordóñez
9. Chase Utley
10. Todd Helton or Ichiro Suzuki

Again, just in my opinion...however, you could swap 3-20 on most lists and probably have a valid arguement for each...
I'd go more like:
1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Albert Pujols
3. David Ortiz
4. Matt Holliday (Coors Field isn't quite so hitter friendly as it was)
5. Ichiro
6. Hanley Ramirez
7. David Wright
8. Carlos Lee
9. Magglio Ordonez
10. Vladimir Guerrero
11. Miguel Cabrera (just cause I didn't feel right leaving his fatass off)
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:25 AM
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Chuck you really think Bonds is a better hitter than he right now? Maybe a few years ago, not now. I'll give you Arod and Pujols, but the rest of your list has to be a joke, so I'll laugh.
Right now? I think that Bonds is probably as good as Manny because Manny has been subpar for Manny the last 2 seasons. The 2 recent HR's not withstanding, Manny has been below average according to his standards.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:39 AM
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I guess I am being too harsh on ol' Manny. You guys are probably right.
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:38 AM
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I guess I am being too harsh on ol' Manny. You guys are probably right.

I'm so sorry...did not see this.













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Old 10-10-2007, 12:08 PM
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I guess I am being too harsh on ol' Manny. You guys are probably right.

That really was pretty good. Here ya go:



OOOOOOOOOO
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:48 AM
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Right now? I think that Bonds is probably as good as Manny because Manny has been subpar for Manny the last 2 seasons. The 2 recent HR's not withstanding, Manny has been below average according to his standards.

Manny has been hurt all year Chuck and has actually improved his fielding in Boston playing a quirky left field at home that is harder than it looks at first blush. I'll give you his production way down this year but he has produced for much longer than many on your list. Manny has protected Ortiz in that line up since he got to Boston and has pretty much done what was asked of him sometimes sacrificing numbers for the team that Boston has become.

Very Very Streaky hitter who may yet have another World Series MVP to go with his 2004 one. Believe me the worst thing Cleveland saw in the division playoffs was that Manny seemed to be swinging pain free...

And how can you not like a guy who hates to speak in public but still gives the hilarious honest interview he gave Friday night which pretty much solidified his place in the all sound bite hall of fame.

So leave my Manny alone or we'll have to take your prize money for Mixteca at Keeneland.
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Old 10-11-2007, 08:21 AM
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He's being paid not to endorse The Witch.
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Old 10-11-2007, 11:15 AM
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He's being paid not to endorse The Witch.

Morty most of the time I am able to follow what your talking about as the smartest and wittiest kid in the class who just happens to be the class clown as well.....but what the hell does that mean!!!
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Morty most of the time I am able to follow what your talking about as the smartest and wittiest kid in the class who just happens to be the class clown as well.....but what the hell does that mean!!!
God you're easy to fool!!!


ror!!


Oh I admit it...I'm an imbecile.







But what I meant was Hillary Clitton's campaign manager is paying Manny not to endorse her.


Not so funny or witty I guess.
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