Acid test for Anew

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Who is the returning Sprint Champ? I dont think Silver Train won an eclipse for top sprinter? I could be wrong. If I am, please correct me.

You obviously knew he wasn't the champ but winning the BC sprint last year and now the Met Mile this year certainly makes him the most accomplished sprinter currently in training. Remind me of the sprinters racing now who have won two races of that prominence(the two most elite races for horses one turn at a mile or under)?

[chupster2]

That was before this year. He lucked out with a couple of good runs last year, but every other time I watched him he blew air. Like I said, this year will be a different story.

[Gander]

Should be a nice little race, looking forward to see how Anew holds up with a better horse than the muchly overhyped Tigger chasing him. Not a big fan of Silver Train but you have to give credit where it is due. Lucky for him Belmont Park is one of the premier tracks and he has taken a liken to this surface instead of a toy track like for instance Delaware Park or Philadelphia.

Has Silver Train ever run well anywhere else?

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Gander

Should be a nice little race, looking forward to see how Anew holds up with a better horse than the muchly overhyped Tigger chasing him. Not a big fan of Silver Train but you have to give credit where it is due. Lucky for him Belmont Park is one of the premier tracks and he has taken a liken to this surface instead of a toy track like for instance Delaware Park or Philadelphia.

Has Silver Train ever run well anywhere else?

I know you're an elitist and better than us all, but please don't compare Delaware to Philly Park, Delaware has a great weekend card for a bush league track.

Originally Posted by Gander

Should be a nice little race, looking forward to see how Anew holds up with a better horse than the muchly overhyped Tigger chasing him. Not a big fan of Silver Train but you have to give credit where it is due. Lucky for him Belmont Park is one of the premier tracks and he has taken a liken to this surface instead of a toy track like for instance Delaware Park or Philadelphia.

Has Silver Train ever run well anywhere else?

It is Tiger, not Tigger. The "overhyped" horse you are talking about has run two extremely fast races. Anew just happens to be an incredible horse.

[Gander]

Anew is something else, huh? I always root for former claimers, because I consider myself to be a claimer as far as life goes. A hard knocker, honest game old campaigner.

I dont think Tiger is half the horse Anew is or even remotely close to being considered a top sprinter off those 2 dream trips he had. This coming from a huge Jerken's fan. Silver Train is a much better horse and will at least make a race of it. That race Tiger threw in last time was an utter mess.

Originally Posted by Gander

Anew is something else, huh? I always root for former claimers, because I consider myself to be a claimer as far as life goes. A hard knocker, honest game old campaigner.

I dont think Tiger is half the horse Anew is or even remotely close to being considered a top sprinter off those 2 dream trips he had. This coming from a huge Jerken's fan. Silver Train is a much better horse and will at least make a race of it. That race Tiger threw in last time was an utter mess.

Tim I really don't understand how you view races. Mess? he ran 2nd to a very nice horse. I just don't see that as a mess in any way.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by chupster2

That was before this year. He lucked out with a couple of good runs last year, but every other time I watched him he blew air. Like I said, this year will be a different story.

Show me one bad race he's run at Belmont.

He came within one-hundredth of a second of the six-furlong track record and would've gotten it if Prado hadn't geared him down, he wired the Jerome, won the BC Sprint and the Met Mile.

Call him a one-track wonder, but inconsistent? Hardly.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You obviously knew he wasn't the champ but winning the BC sprint last year and now the Met Mile this year certainly makes him the most accomplished sprinter currently in training. Remind me of the sprinters racing now who have won two races of that prominence(the two most elite races for horses one turn at a mile or under)?

I believe you were the one making fun of Tiger and saying some interesting things about Anew a few months back. You won't be talking so much when Anew romps over your Dutrow horse, will you?

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I believe you were the one making fun of Tiger and saying some interesting things about Anew a few months back. You won't be talking so much when Anew romps over your Dutrow horse, will you?

Well hes sure not my horse, though I sorely wish he was. I don't quite understand all the unprovoked venom you spew but all I know is that it should be one hell of a race and that I give Silver Train a slight edge here. Going 6f Anew would most likely win, but at 7F I think that Silver Train will wear him down. Hes also had a little more time between his last race and this one.
Do you ever have any postive thoughts about racing or horses? Just wondered.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You obviously knew he wasn't the champ but winning the BC sprint last year and now the Met Mile this year certainly makes him the most accomplished sprinter currently in training. Remind me of the sprinters racing now who have won two races of that prominence(the two most elite races for horses one turn at a mile or under)?

Right OH! When I think back to how good he looked in the Met Mile, unreal. In the post parade he looked like such a confident, fit, superior athlete.

With that said, he is facing a horse, Anew, that may at this point still be under-rated because of how he raced before the "equipment" change. He destroyed the field in his last race.

Summit of Speed, Claiming Crown, and now this. Another fine weekend of racing ahead. The only drag is the Barbaro situation which gives us all heavy hearts.

[Gander]

Sorry, you are right. While Delaware is certainly no Belmont, its not nearly as bad and depressing as Philadelphia. My bad.
My point was there is no better track to have a fondeness over than Belmont, king of all tracks. So many grade 1's there at 1 mile or less and it runs 2 different seasons.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You obviously knew he wasn't the champ but winning the BC sprint last year and now the Met Mile this year certainly makes him the most accomplished sprinter currently in training. Remind me of the sprinters racing now who have won two races of that prominence(the two most elite races for horses one turn at a mile or under)?

I knew he wasnt a champ and this is why we cannot say Silver Train is a champ. He has looked great at Belmont, but he will never be a champ. And we shouldnt call him the "returning champ."

Lets think about this for a moment, Silver Train barely beats Sun King and Sun King comes back and loses. Maybe the Met Mile wasnt a very good race. Silver Train is an good horse at Belmont, anywhere else he is sub-par.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I knew he wasnt a champ and this is why we cannot say Silver Train is a champ. He has looked great at Belmont, but he will never be a champ. And we shouldnt call him the "returning champ."

Lets think about this for a moment, Silver Train barely beats Sun King and Sun King comes back and loses. Maybe the Met Mile wasnt a very good race. Silver Train is an good horse at Belmont, anywhere else he is sub-par.

Sun King's loss came in a 4 horse field with no pace and where the winner ran a hole in the wind, in addition Sun King was set for a regression off a lifetime top effort on the numbers. Oh wait, there I go using logic and common sense instead of emotion or how I feel about a horse or his connections to analyze a situation. Wrong place.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Sun King's loss came in a 4 horse field with no pace and where the winner ran a hole in the wind, in addition Sun King was set for a regression off a lifetime top effort on the numbers. Oh wait, there I go using logic and common sense instead of emotion or how I feel about a horse or his connections to analyze a situation. Wrong place.

Logic is good. I like logic, but Sun King regressed, usuing logic it could be said that Silver Train will regress from his last start. Good horses will overcome obstacles such as small fields and no pace. I like Silver Train, I really do--but lets use logic and say this is a horse like Dont Get Mad--only runs wells at one track.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Logic is good. I like logic, but Sun King regressed, usuing logic it could be said that Silver Train will regress from his last start. Good horses will overcome obstacles such as small fields and no pace. I like Silver Train, I really do--but lets use logic and say this is a horse like Dont Get Mad--only runs wells at one track.

Not sure if you saw, but DGM ran like a monkey in his last start at CD.

Silver Train obviously only runs well at Belmont. But he's a much better horse than DGM.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Not sure if you saw, but DGM ran like a monkey in his last start at CD.

Silver Train obviously only runs well at Belmont. But he's a much better horse than DGM.

Yes Silver Train is a great horse. I loved it when he came roaring down the lane in the BC Sprint. I had him and Fog over all in an exacta. My favorite BC Sprint was in 2004 when Speightstown came rushing up the inside to get the win. I loved Speightstown and had a bundle on him to win. However, I didnt have him singled in my pick 6 ticket.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yes Silver Train is a great horse. I loved it when he came roaring down the lane in the BC Sprint. I had him and Fog over all in an exacta. My favorite BC Sprint was in 2004 when Speightstown came rushing up the inside to get the win. I loved Speightstown and had a bundle on him to win. However, I didnt have him singled in my pick 6 ticket.

I hated Speightstown and he cost me a good-sized score, as I had the Pick 4 closing into Kela and Midas Eyes. Bailey waited way too long to move on Kela and Speightstown screwed me.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I knew he wasnt a champ and this is why we cannot say Silver Train is a champ. He has looked great at Belmont, but he will never be a champ. And we shouldnt call him the "returning champ."

Lets think about this for a moment, Silver Train barely beats Sun King and Sun King comes back and loses. Maybe the Met Mile wasnt a very good race. Silver Train is an good horse at Belmont, anywhere else he is sub-par.

Silver Train is a good horse at Belmont? Wow, are you sure about that? With G1 wins in the BC Sprint and the Met Mile you will only go out on the limb and say GOOD?

Who shall we call the returning champ then? Lost in the Fog? a horse that got cooked in the BC sprint by Silver Train.

In my mind, right or wrong, last years winner of the BC sprint is the reigning sprint champ. I don't care who won the Eclipse.

Furthermore it was just a throwaway expression. Sun King almost got the ST in the Met but one mile is a little stretch for ST. He dueled with someone through fast fractions in the Met and still had some stamina to hold on.

Outside of Belmont he is so far unproven, but so what.
I guess I just don't get it sometimes the things people choose to focus in on and make a debating point. The thread was started with the idea that "Hey look at this race. It ought to be a good one". It hardly seems a controversial
premise.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Silver Train is a good horse at Belmont? Wow, are you sure about that? With G1 wins in the BC Sprint and the Met Mile you will only go out on the limb and say GOOD?

Who shall we call the returning champ then? Lost in the Fog? a horse that got cooked in the BC sprint by Silver Train.

In my mind, right or wrong, last years winner of the BC sprint is the reigning sprint champ. I don't care who won the Eclipse.

Furthermore it was just a throwaway expression. Sun King almost got the ST in the Met but one mile is a little stretch for ST. He dueled with someone through fast fractions in the Met and still had some stamina to hold on.

Outside of Belmont he is so far unproven, but so what.
I guess I just don't get it sometimes the things people choose to focus in on and make a debating point. The thread was started with the idea that "Hey look at this race. It ought to be a good one". It hardly seems a controversial
premise.

Fog won the eclipse award for top sprinter--therefore he is the Champ like it or not. I dont agree with it, but I didnt vote.

It is going to be a good race. I am excited to see it. Two Grade I wins does not make for a great horse. There are only a few horses I consider great. The term great is throw around way way too much.