Scat Daddy retired

#1 06-25-2007, 01:45 PM

So, you think an owner should run their horse until it breaks completely down? The horse is theirs to make money with. Would you continue running a horse that you could make millions on in the shed, just so the public could see him run. As soon as he lost a couple races his value and public appeal would drop, and those of you who what to see him run now would never bet on him again.

blackthroatedwind · #2 06-25-2007, 01:47 PM

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

miraja2 · #3 06-25-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

I agree completely. He was a G1 and G2 winner at both 2 and 3.
That sounds really good, and the horse was certainly NOT really good.

NTamm1215 · #4 06-25-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

Isn't that the truth. I was thinking about what will happen to Team Todd's pack of 3YOs as they begin their 2nd half of the 2007 season. Can we envision the same thing for Any Given Saturday and Circular Quay?

AGS has nothing on his resume right now, but I wonder if WinStar would be willing to take a Dwyer win, which is no foregone conclusion, and settle there. Obviously Cowtown Cat is going to make himself look worse as the year goes on and one has to wonder how much will go into this whole turf experiment with Circular Quay.

Team Todd- run the hair off them in the 2YO season, bring ill-prepared/exhausted horses to Triple Crown races, file excuses, then retire. Sorry folks, that's about the long and short of it with him.

NT

miraja2 · #5 06-25-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Isn't that the truth. I was thinking about what will happen to Team Todd's pack of 3YOs as they begin their 2nd half of the 2007 season. Can we envision the same thing for Any Given Saturday and Circular Quay?

AGS has nothing on his resume right now, but I wonder if WinStar would be willing to take a Dwyer win, which is no foregone conclusion, and settle there. Obviously Cowtown Cat is going to make himself look worse as the year goes on and one has to wonder how much will go into this whole turf experiment with Circular Quay.

Team Todd- run the hair off them in the 2YO season, bring ill-prepared/exhausted horses to Triple Crown races, file excuses, then retire. Sorry folks, that's about the long and short of it with him.

NT

As you mention, Any Given Saturday is in the opposite position of the accomplished Scat Daddy. AGS has yet to win a graded stakes race.
However, with his pedigree (by Distorted Humor and out of an AP Indy mare whose other foal became a graded stakes winner) it would probably take only one graded stakes victory for them to send him to the shed.

ArlJim78 · #6 06-25-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

bingo, that is the heart of the matter. any further racing would likely diminish his status and since his status is now obviously inflated, why take the risk of racing.

Mortimer · #7 06-25-2007, 02:12 PM

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bingo, that is the heart of the matter. any further racing would likely diminish his status and since his status is now obviously inflated, why take the risk of racing.

OOOOOOOOOO

ELA · #8 06-25-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

Agreed 100%. Why don't people think the connections may know this as well? Sure, maybe they are high on the horse, think he's still getting better, moving forward, etc. -- or maybe not.

In the "maximize value" world -- which is the world this industry is in today -- in a case like this it is often the default decision to retire the horse. Get used to it. Unless there is a drastic shift, it will be more and more common.

Eric

Bobby Fischer · #9 06-25-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

exactly.

I was hoping to bet against this one this year which is my dissapointment in the news. Most of these are a bet-against at anything approaching a classic distance.

Maybe they think they are going to fool someone with his resume over his actual pedigree?
Hes not bad to breed with a solid mare if you want to compete in some ungraded stakes up to a mile and a sixteenth. Maybe breed with a turf mare and with good training, get a decent turf/poly miler for ungraded stakes level races. Thats about it.

His injury when they tried to push him to 9 furlongs and then 10 furlongs along with his need to train in bar shoes , should make him a real bargain.

Riot · #10 06-25-2007, 03:43 PM

Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.

Bobby Fischer · #11 06-25-2007, 03:43 PM

Cannon Shell · #12 06-25-2007, 06:35 PM

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5 K

You are kidding right?

Sightseek · #13 06-25-2007, 06:37 PM

Also in Pletcher stable news (I wasn't about to start a thread on the Suburban, because frankly it sucks) but Harlington is out as well. No retirement - yet.

Zaf · #14 06-25-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

5 K

I would love to claim horses from you.

Cajungator26 · #15 06-25-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.

"The horse was scheduled to leave by van on Tuesday for Ashford Stud in Lexington, Ky., where he will most likely stand stud next year. No stud plans had been finalized as of Monday."

Storm Cadet · #16 06-25-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.

This is his level...a Blue Light Special!

Cajungator26 · #17 06-25-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

Well, I'll miss him. I loved this horse.

Bogey · #18 06-25-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

Personally, I hit the PK4 when he won the Champagne and I bet him heavily when he won the FOY. Thanks to my buddy Joel Cunningham, who touted him before he made his 1st start. Joel stated that he could drag the starting gate and still win. I remember Oracle 80 stating that another horse had a chance. Well, Scat Daddy won for fun in the slop and had a very nice career. I cashed over $3K in tickets, so I personally sad to see him retired. Go Scat Daddy Go.

Cajungator26 · #19 06-25-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogey

Personally, I hit the PK4 when he won the Champagne and I bet him heavily when he won the FOY. Thanks to my buddy Joel Cunningham, who touted him before he made his 1st start. Joel stated that he could drag the starting gate and still win. I remember Oracle 80 stating that another horse had a chance. Well, Scat Daddy won for fun in the slop and had a very nice career. I cashed over $3K in tickets, so I personally sad to see him retired. Go Scat Daddy Go.

Well said Bogey...

Joel emailed me today to let me know... I really liked this colt a lot too. So maybe he wasn't a speedball or a real flashy winner, but he was very gutsy and tried hard. He was good enough for me.

Bogey · #20 06-25-2007, 10:45 PM

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Well said Bogey...

Joel emailed me today to let me know... I really liked this colt a lot too. So maybe he wasn't a speedball or a real flashy winner, but he was very gutsy and tried hard. He was good enough for me.

Cajun, I'm glad you are giving Joel some credit, I know he wasn't a popular figure on the DT board, but bottom line the guy knows what he is talking about and always has an opinion.