Larry Hughes sucks

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

LeBron's a very good player, but his play at the end of games is hardly King like. I know he's young and all, but he needs to be making shots at the end of games. Foul or no, he forced the play and I agree that it looks like he is having a hard time. Definitely part of the blame needs to be placed with the coach, one for that play call and two for not being as aggressive in the second half. The Cavs could and probably should be going home 1-1, maybe even 2-0.

There are no plays in the NBA that work.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are no plays in the NBA that work.

But there are themes.

Into Duncan, no double team, make it happen by getting the hell away from him or cutting hard to the basket. Into Duncan, double team, kick it out.

Parker go to the hole. If they give you room, 17 foot jumper.

Ginobilli with 23 or less in a quarter. Clear out, let him go to the hole, get set for a kick out three.

And OMG the absolutely beautiful team defense. The switching is incredible. I dont have a clue as to how they are able to coordinate this so well.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

But there are themes.

Into Duncan, no double team, make it happen by getting the hell away from him or cutting hard to the basket. Into Duncan, double team, kick it out.

Parker go to the hole. If they give you room, 17 foot jumper.

Ginobilli with 23 or less in a quarter. Clear out, let him go to the hole, get set for a kick out three.

And OMG the absolutely beautiful team defense. The switching is incredible. I dont have a clue as to how they are able to coordinate this so well.

Last I looked Clevelands three similar players for Duncan, Parker, and Ginobilli are named Ilguagkas, Snow, and Pavolvich. How is that for a theme?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Spurs fan huh?

Coaching is easy with good players that also like to win using their team.

And really Hoss, how can one not like an organization that has done what the Spurs have. We got lucky with lottery picks, and surrounded the players(Robinson and Duncan) with a good organization and teammates.

Note: Steven Jackson was a Spur who people really liked as a player but the organization knew off some tendencies the fans did not. I could not believe we let the guy go. This has happened a number of times before, Alvin Robertson, Willie Anderson... and then one understands after they are gone.

I like Popovich. One, because he is a saavy people person. And two, because he is ugly.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on. I tend to think a better coach might have something better drawn up for that. I'm not saying he's the sole reason they lost, but call me crazy, i don't think Phil Jackson or Pat Riley calls that play late.

There are no plays in the NBA. Why is that so hard to understand? There is 20 seconds left on the clock. You isolate and look to kick out if they double. Execution is the problem. They got good penetration and missed an easy followup shot. What play would you have called? Who's number would you have called out?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are no plays in the NBA. Why is that so hard to understand? There is 20 seconds left on the clock. You isolate and look to kick out if they double. Execution is the problem. They got good penetration and missed an easy followup shot. What play would you have called? Who's number would you have called out?

It blows my mind how obvious this is but time and time again intelligent fans miss the point entirely.

There is no ball movement during offensive sets in the NBA......execution creates options. Watch the Celts/Lakers/Pistons of decades gone by .....they all moved the ball to create shots. The Suns and Spurs do it to some extent but nothing like Magic, Bird, etc etc.......

Standing there and taking the ball 1 on all is garbage.......Lebron is a very limited basketball player with physical skills that compensate for his flaws.
And yes, when Larry Hughes left town in DC the fans quickly got over it. Another millionaire who lost his hunger when they got the contract.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It blows my mind how obvious this is but time and time again intelligent fans miss the point entirely.

There is no ball movement during offensive sets in the NBA......execution creates options. Watch the Celts/Lakers/Pistons of decades gone by .....they all moved the ball to create shots. The Suns and Spurs do it to some extent but nothing like Magic, Bird, etc etc.......

Standing there and taking the ball 1 on all is garbage.......Lebron is a very limited basketball player with physical skills that compensate for his flaws.
And yes, when Larry Hughes left town in DC the fans quickly got over it. Another millionaire who lost his hunger when they got the contract.

I totally agree. Pass the ball around the perimeter and try to get the best shot. that works better when you have a talented big man inside posting up, but this isolation crap and 1 on 1 really dumbs down basketball IMO.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I totally agree. Pass the ball around the perimeter and try to get the best shot. that works better when you have a talented big man inside posting up, but this isolation crap and 1 on 1 really dumbs down basketball IMO.

Aren't you a female??

[Mortimer]

Silly, silly man. Before LeBron got to Cleveland the team hadn't had a 30 win season in over 3 years. The team was 15-67 the season before LeBron got there. In two years he had them over .500. They have won 3 playoff series in the last 2 years after having not won one since 1993. They have back to back 50 win seasons for only the second time in close to 40 years in existence.

HE hit not one, but two game winning shots in the playoffs last year. At age 22, LeBron has 15 playoff wins...I think at that age, Bird and Jordan had a total of zero combined.

Why bother with facts when making things up is so much better
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Round eye lie!!





BIG LIAH!

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

Silly, silly man. Before LeBron got to Cleveland the team hadn't had a 30 win season in over 3 years. The team was 15-67 the season before LeBron got there. In two years he had them over .500. They have won 3 playoff series in the last 2 years after having not won one since 1993. They have back to back 50 win seasons for only the second time in close to 40 years in existence.

HE hit not one, but two game winning shots in the playoffs last year. At age 22, LeBron has 15 playoff wins...I think at that age, Bird and Jordan had a total of zero combined.

Why bother with facts when making things up is so much better
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See above!



Round eye lie!!





BIG LIAH!

me saying "he had them over .500" is not the same as saying he is solely responsible for their improvement. I could say Mike Brown got them to 50 wins last year, and that doesn't mean Mike Brown is the only reason they got to 50 wins. Try again, brutus.

[horseofcourse]

why do I trouble you so much mortimer?? what is it about me??

Originally Posted by docicu3

It blows my mind how obvious this is but time and time again intelligent fans miss the point entirely.

There is no ball movement during offensive sets in the NBA......execution creates options. Watch the Celts/Lakers/Pistons of decades gone by .....they all moved the ball to create shots. The Suns and Spurs do it to some extent but nothing like Magic, Bird, etc etc.......

Standing there and taking the ball 1 on all is garbage.......Lebron is a very limited basketball player with physical skills that compensate for his flaws.
And yes, when Larry Hughes left town in DC the fans quickly got over it. Another millionaire who lost his hunger when they got the contract.

The RULES have changed since the aforementioned. You had to play man up in the Magic/Bird era. Riley got wise and played a semizone causing a technical if one was not close enough to his man. This was very hard to interpret, went thru some changes so now we have a game where a team CAN PLAY ZONE. They just cant stay in the lane 3 seconds. This has changed the way the game is played compared to the 80's a great deal.

We really must understand this (Hubie Brown). So what I believe we have seen is 3 point shooters become more valuable to crack a zone apart. And defense requires more mobile big men. A big shot blocker cannot just stand in the lane on defense anymore. imo, a player like Jason Kapono is in the league for one reason. And there are some very poor basketball talented yet mobile big men, close to my heart here would be Fransisco Elson.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The RULES have changed since the aforementioned. You had to play man up in the Magic/Bird era. Riley got wise and played a semizone causing a technical if one was not close enough to his man. This was very hard to interpret, went thru some changes so now we have a game where a team CAN PLAY ZONE. They just cant stay in the lane 3 seconds. This has changed the way the game is played compared to the 80's a great deal.

We really must understand this (Hubie Brown). So what I believe we have seen is 3 point shooters become more valuable to crack a zone apart. And defense requires more mobile big men. A big shot blocker cannot just stand in the lane on defense anymore. imo, a player like Jason Kapono is in the league for one reason. And there are some very poor basketball talented yet mobile big men, close to my heart here would be Fransisco Elson.

Plus in the Salary cap era those teams would have never been able to stay together

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah you're right. No coaches ever call plays. It's basically a free for all out there.

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Hossy...don't even try to argue with PeanutShell.

The guy is in love with THE CHOSEN ONE.

I've read what he's been saying and it's mekin' me SICK!! He doesn't even know what he's talking about!

I should have resisted as I told Steve I didn't want to cause him trouble so I would not say anything here anymore...so now I'm a BIG LIAH.





But it's not easy.



Better off not conversing with the guy.

I think he must write in asking for articles of James clothing.













God...I can't stand it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

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Hossy...don't even try to argue with PeanutShell.

The guy is in love with THE CHOSEN ONE.

I've read what he's been saying and it's mekin' me SICK!! He doesn't even know what he's talking about!

I should have resisted as I told Steve I didn't want to cause him trouble so I would not say anything here anymore...so now I'm a BIG LIAH.





But it's not easy.



Better off not conversing with the guy.

I think he must write in asking for articles of James clothing.













God...I can't stand it.

I was defending the coach, sir.




I forgot you liked the World B Free era better.




Perhaps they can dig up Jim Chones for you.

[Mortimer]

I like all the Cleveland finger pointing.

They don't have a point guard...which is true....and JKidd is one of the best pg's around.



I can't imagine what I'm trying to say.

Lebron James is highly overrated. The guy clearly isn't comfortable under pressure.

I can't recall Bird or Jordan passing up on game winners nor missing so many of them.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Lebron James is highly overrated. The guy clearly isn't comfortable under pressure.

I can't recall Bird or Jordan passing up on game winners nor missing so many of them.

I.........
















....thud

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Lebron James is highly overrated. The guy clearly isn't comfortable under pressure.

I can't recall Bird or Jordan passing up on game winners nor missing so many of them.

Silly, silly man. Before LeBron got to Cleveland the team hadn't had a 30 win season in over 3 years. The team was 15-67 the season before LeBron got there. In two years he had them over .500. They have won 3 playoff series in the last 2 years after having not won one since 1993. They have back to back 50 win seasons for only the second time in close to 40 years in existence.

HE hit not one, but two game winning shots in the playoffs last year. At age 22, LeBron has 15 playoff wins...I think at that age, Bird and Jordan had a total of zero combined.

Why bother with facts when making things up is so much better!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah you're right. No coaches ever call plays. It's basically a free for all out there.

What "play" would you call? Just give me an idea what you think they should have done? Cant you see that they have no one that can create thier own shot except Lebron? He passed off to a wide open guy in the corner the other day who missed. Did you like that one better? When you only have one real option what else could they do? They should have gotten a foul call and even without that they had a second, wide open look from 7 feet that they missed.