NoBiz and Shipping...

[estreetposse]

Blinkers, cotton, whatever else can't seem to get this horse to run well...I know he didn't really ship in the Wood...do you think this also is a problem for him? Shouldn't Tagg have brought him in a week or two sooner to try and get him used to the enviroment and/or crowds?
I think if this horse can get his head out of his a$$, he could be sitting on top very soon.

[Travis Stone]

Aside from a few bumps here or there, I thought Nobiz had a dream setup in the Derby and simply proved he wasn't good enough.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Aside from a few bumps here or there, I thought Nobiz had a dream setup in the Derby and simply proved he wasn't good enough.

Exactly, right, Mr Stone.

And, if this wasn't evident about NoCOUNT PRIOR to the DERBY it certainly should be subsequently

well, for most, anyway

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Aside from a few bumps here or there, I thought Nobiz had a dream setup in the Derby and simply proved he wasn't good enough.

I agree. He is a really nice horse but not of the caliber of a Street Sense, Hard Spun or Curlin. He is too slow.

[Bobby Fischer]

His Remsen was a really nice race at 9f. Nobiz at 2yo in the Remsen -Better than anything he or Scat Daddy has done at 9f since.

Then they went to the Holy Bull (mile).
Wasn't a ton of pace so C Vel takes Nobiz to the front and wires the field.
Wasn't necessarily a terrible decision... the pace numbers looked ok, he didn't go too fast early, he still came home at the mile distance pretty fast...

Then they go to the FOY(9f)

Stormello "breaks like a quarter horse" , and sets an impossible pace. Nobiz's Remsen form would have had him well off the pace and crushing the rabbit in the stretch. Yet instead of that nice style , Nobiz chases the pace. Nobiz gets sucked right into Stormello's rabid pace. No style he tires in the stretch he runs crazy trying to keep that pace...

Now the quick "fix" in time for the derby rush
Blinkers (move him up even MORE????)



They just need to get Nobiz back to his Remsen form and they have a top horse. Good stamina in the pedigree, hes a great animal physically. What he is not is a sprinter, and he is not a wire-to-wire type.

How does Tagg win all these turf races and he has Nobiz so screwed up from where he was at 2? Or is Nobiz really that rank that he doesn't rate at all anymore?

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

His Remsen was a really nice race at 9f. Nobiz at 2yo in the Remsen -Better than anything he or Scat Daddy has done at 9f since.

Then they went to the Holy Bull (mile).
Wasn't a ton of pace so C Vel takes Nobiz to the front and wires the field.
Wasn't necessarily a terrible decision... the pace numbers looked ok, he didn't go too fast early, he still came home at the mile distance pretty fast...

Then they go to the FOY(9f)

Stormello "breaks like a quarter horse" , and sets an impossible pace. Nobiz's Remsen form would have had him well off the pace and crushing the rabbit in the stretch. Yet instead of that nice style , Nobiz chases the pace. Nobiz gets sucked right into Stormello's rabid pace. No style he tires in the stretch he runs crazy trying to keep that pace...

Now the quick "fix" in time for the derby rush
Blinkers (move him up even MORE????)



They just need to get Nobiz back to his Remsen form and they have a top horse. Good stamina in the pedigree, hes a great animal physically. What he is not is a sprinter, and he is not a wire-to-wire type.

How does Tagg win all these turf races and he has Nobiz so screwed up from where he was at 2? Or is Nobiz really that rank that he doesn't rate at all anymore?

Thanks...this is more what I was looking for.

[byalip]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Blinkers, cotton, whatever else can't seem to get this horse to run well...I know he didn't really ship in the Wood...do you think this also is a problem for him? Shouldn't Tagg have brought him in a week or two sooner to try and get him used to the enviroment and/or crowds?
I think if this horse can get his head out of his a$$, he could be sitting on top very soon.

When's he shipping in? I can go over to Pim and scream in his face for 15 minutes...help toughen him up.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by byalip

When's he shipping in? I can go over to Pim and scream in his face for 15 minutes...help toughen him up.

That's funny right there!!
Scream like Sam Kinison used to, just might work.

[JDank34]

SlowBiz is just that SLOW...always has been and always will be. He is simply not good enough.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

That's funny right there!!
Scream like Sam Kinison used to, just might work.

why did i suddenly remember the drill instructor from Full Metal Jacket????

[Cajungator26]

Nobiz reminds me of Strong Contender for some reason.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nobiz reminds me of Strong Contender for some reason.

You mean Weak Contender

aka

Strong Pretender?

Grade 1 winner ---- oh yeah

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nobiz reminds me of Strong Contender for some reason.

I realize that Nobiz disappointed a bit in the Derby, but don't you think this is a little harsh. Next thing you know, he'll be compared to Dr. Pleasure.

[byalip]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

That's funny right there!!
Scream like Sam Kinison used to, just might work.

I was thinking more like Susie Green the Wife from Hell on "Curb Your Enthusiasm."

[cakes44]

Is it okay for me to think that he is just another descendant of Storm Cat that didn't get any better from 2 to 3? Everybody seems to think that just because he's big that he has that much more potential than all the other horses. What has he done in any of his races other than his maiden to justify that?

[Linny]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Is it okay for me to think that he is just another descendant of Storm Cat that didn't get any better from 2 to 3? Everybody seems to think that just because he's big that he has that much more potential than all the other horses. What has he done in any of his races other than his maiden to justify that?

Nobiz is a tail male descendant of Ribot. His dam is a daughter of Cat. Surely you don't think that any horse with SC in his breeding, anywhere is destined to not train on?

[boswd]

he reminds me of Rock Hard Ten

[sumitas]

he's not a Storm Cat. he's by Albert the Great, then Go For Gin back to Ribot. his broodmare sire is Storm Cat. he reminded me of Point Determined who ran a similar race last year at CD. never did much after that race either.

[todko]

The top 5 worked on the CD surface. The top 2 had multiple works. The winner was stabled at CD.

Horses adjust stride to a certain degree to get traction. They adjust stride to get speed or to get distance.

It seems more trainers would work them on the track and give them time on the track so the horse can adjust. Larry Jones was smart enough to do that. Tagg wasn't.

Neither was Todd Pletcher. So much for his call that poly is great to work over but he'd rather race on dirt. If he's going to race on dirt he better give his horses some time on the dirt to adjust. I bet he will next year.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by todko

The top 5 worked on the CD surface. The top 2 had multiple works. The winner was stabled at CD.

Horses adjust stride to a certain degree to get traction. They adjust stride to get speed or to get distance.

It seems more trainers would work them on the track and give them time on the track so the horse can adjust. Larry Jones was smart enough to do that. Tagg wasn't.

Neither was Todd Pletcher. So much for his call that poly is great to work over but he'd rather race on dirt. If he's going to race on dirt he better give his horses some time on the dirt to adjust. I bet he will next year.

The best horses won. What other horses in the race figured to be close to a 110 BSF? NONE. No Biz, Pletchers horses, O'Neils horses, none of them figured to jump up and run that type of race. Its lame to imply that the only missing ingredient was a final workout at Churchill. Exactly how much does that move up a horse anyway?