Nobiz Like Showbiz

[golfer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't have an opinion other than realism and Corinthian have rarely gone hand in hand. He did run one very nice race in Florida, and another OK one, but he has still been WAY overhyped considering what he has delivered. I'm no great fan of Magna Graduate, and didn't like him at all today, but he has certainly accomplished a LOT more than Corinthian ( though he has also had more chances ), and nothing about Corinthian's actual on-track performances indicate that he is a better horse than Magna Graduate...much less as much better as beating him 8 out of 10 times would suggest.

But hey, there's a thread here right now which lists Tiago as a top five Derby contender, so reality and posting seem to be two seperate issues in more than one place.

Did you see the head on view of the start? Am I nuts in thinking the assistant starter still had a hold of him when the gate opened, which caused him to jump? (By the way, this has nothing to do with whether or not he's better than Magna Grad).

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by golfer

Did you see the head on view of the start? Am I nuts in thinking the assistant starter still had a hold of him when the gate opened, which caused him to jump? (By the way, this has nothing to do with whether or not he's better than Magna Grad).

I didn't watch it carefully, but will try to later, so for now it wouldn't be at all fair for me to have any opinion.

[golfer]

By the way, the horse who ran second to AGS in his first Tampa start, All I Can Get, ran in a 7 furlong minor stakes race today, went 47 to the half, and spit the bit. Not judging the relevance, just reporting the facts (Yes, I bet on this piece also , I had a tough day )

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

And who was that stupid little girl who asked Velazquez to tell everyone who his Derby mount would be less than 10 seconds after he dismounts from AGS ?

Did she really think he was giving her an answer ?

He doesn't even know, though I am guessing he sticks with Any Given Saturday, especially as Circular Quay is VERY iffy.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He doesn't even know, though I am guessing he sticks with Any Given Saturday, especially as Circular Quay is VERY iffy.

is it just me, or did pletcher seem just the teensiest bit uncomfortable when asked about CQ? of course he said there is no problem....anyone believe that to be the absolute truth?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Danzig

is it just me, or did pletcher seem just the teensiest bit uncomfortable when asked about CQ? of course he said there is no problem....anyone believe that to be the absolute truth?

I don't envy Todd being in that predicament, and I am sure it is his hope they can get him to the Derby sound, but I also don't believe that will be the case. Nor do most people around the racetrack. It's too bad as he would only add to the race.....especially with some of the mediocrities that won preps today.

[Hoist Her Flag]

Sightseeing better go the Derby, If the speed falters, hes just as good as Tiago, who won out West. Why did Shug run in the Wood, if he was just going to save him for a summer campaign? Today he ran for 2nd place money and got 2nd. If Pletcher can run King of the Roxy and some other dubious horses are going to run. Plus I recall a Funny Cide ran 2nd in the wood to a superior horse and then reversed it 4 weeks later.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Hoist Her Flag

Sightseeing better go the Derby, If the speed falters, hes just as good as Tiago, who won out West. Why did Shug run in the Wood, if he was just going to save him for a summer campaign? Today he ran for 2nd place money and got 2nd. If Pletcher can run King of the Roxy and some other dubious horses are going to run. Plus I recall a Funny Cide ran 2nd in the wood to a superior horse and then reversed it 4 weeks later.

Comparing Empire Maker to Nobiz? No.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Comparing Empire Maker to Nobiz? No.

It's no more ridiculous than comparing Sightseeing's performance today to Funny Cide's effort against Empire Maker.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by golfer

Did you see the head on view of the start? Am I nuts in thinking the assistant starter still had a hold of him when the gate opened, which caused him to jump? (By the way, this has nothing to do with whether or not he's better than Magna Grad).

You're not nuts, this impacted the whole race and sent a lot of tickests up in flames, how can the NYRA allow this to happen on one of the biggest days of the year , pity the public to think the game is fair in NY

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by gales0678

You're not nuts, this impacted the whole race and sent a lot of tickests up in flames, how can the NYRA allow this to happen on one of the biggest days of the year , pity the public to think the game is fair in NY

I don't understand what this means? NYRA has refunded TONS of money because of horses that had unfair starts and to any way insinuate that NYRA doesn't take these matters VERY seriously and go out of their way to make sure the right thing is done by the betting public in these cases flies in the face of the facts. You know, sometimes it is the horse that causes his or her own problems at the start, and that is a risk we all take when we are betting.

Your comment leads me to believe you have a relationship with someone else interested in the franchise. That isn't the case...is it?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't understand what this means? NYRA has refunded TONS of money because of horses that had unfair starts and to any way insinuate that NYRA doesn't take these matters VERY seriously and go out of their way to make sure the right thing is done by the betting public in these cases flies in the face of the facts. You know, sometimes it is the horse that causes his or her own problems at the start, and that is a risk we all take when we are betting.

Your comment leads me to believe you have a relationship with someone else interested in the franchise. That isn't the case...is it?

No relationship with any else interested in the NYRA - Steve can confirm that
but
Andy - that was a joke - how does a 3/5 shot got held at the gate by the asst. starter - most of the public doesn't pick these minor things up , but, that was a joke today - and i didn't even play the race

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by gales0678

No relationship with any else interested in the NYRA - Steve can confirm that
but
Andy - that was a joke - how does a 3/5 shot got held at the gate by the asst. starter - most of the public doesn't pick these minor things up , but, that was a joke today - and i didn't even play the race

I'm sorry, I thought you had a relationship with West Point Stables. I must have you confused with somebody else.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm sorry, I thought you had a relationship with West Point Stables. I must have you confused with somebody else.

i have a friend who owns a few west point horses that's all

but

what does that have to do with a 3/5 shot being held at the gate?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i have a friend who owns a few west point horses that's all

but

what does that have to do with a 3/5 shot being held at the gate?

He was NOT held at the gate, and I just watched the head on over ten times, and perhaps you need to read the quote from Javiar Castellano in Dave Grening's piece in the Daily Racing Form....



"He was so good today in the paddock and in the gate," said Castellano, who rode Corinthian. "Today, everything was beautiful. As soon as they opened the gate - boom! He just broke in the air. I don't even know how I stayed on."


I am guessing Javiar knows better than you or I.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i have a friend who owns a few west point horses that's all

but

what does that have to do with a 3/5 shot being held at the gate?

And, by the way, it has a lot to do with comments slamming NYRA, especially ones in this case that were specifically unfair and generally unfair, as Terry Finley from West Point Stables is an integral part of Empire Racing which is trying to win the racing franchise.

Believe me, this is not a criticism of Terry, who I get along quite well with, or Empire, but I think it is important for us to be up front about our allegiances when criticizing entities in racing. Sort of how I say Richard Migliore is my friend when it is relevent to a post I am making.

[sumitas]

it doesn't seem that the starting gate is the ultimate solution for horse racing...too many problems, fo sho.

[randallscott35]

"And the flag is up.....and there off." ---No thanks.

[Grits]

Originally Posted by gales0678

You're not nuts, this impacted the whole race and sent a lot of tickests up in flames, how can the NYRA allow this to happen on one of the biggest days of the year , pity the public to think the game is fair in NY

On the accusation of Corinthinian being held by the starter.

A friend of mine owns a horse that ran in this race. A photographer took three photos as quickly as the shutter on her camera could click on Saturday. She was located behind the rail, a few feet out from the starting gate with her lens trained on every horse.

Late last night, I looked at the three photos, in subsequent order. Corinthian was almost sitting on his hind when the gate sprung, he gathers his hind legs with his front legs higher in the second shot, and in the third shot he visibly leaps forward leaving the gate behind all other starters.

I have no idea how the jock remained on him. And in all three photos, BOTH OF THE STARTERS HANDS are in view, above and away from the horse.

To put this to rest for yourself, and OTB patron's who where accusing unfairness, and therefore flaming all of their tickets.

THIS did not happen as claimed.

If the photos were my own I would post them here, but they are not.

I hope this will help some to see that there was no wrongdoing on NYRA's part.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Grits

On the accusation of Corinthinian being held by the starter.

A friend of mine owns a horse that ran in this race. A photographer took three photos as quickly as the shutter on her camera could click on Saturday. She was located behind the rail, a few feet out from the starting gate with her lens trained on every horse.

Late last night, I looked at the three photos, in subsequent order. Corinthian was almost sitting on his hind when the gate sprung, he gathers his hind legs with his front legs higher in the second shot, and in the third shot he visibly leaps forward leaving the gate behind all other starters.

I have no idea how the jock remained on him. And in all three photos, BOTH OF THE STARTERS HANDS are in view, above and away from the horse.

To put this to rest for yourself, and OTB patron's who where accusing unfairness, and therefore flaming all of their tickets.

THIS did not happen as claimed.

If the photos were my own I would post them here, but they are not.

I hope this will help some to see that there was no wrongdoing on NYRA's part.

Agree, I was standing at the gate, the horse is a goof and he reared when it opened. Sh!t happens. About the only thing NYRA did wrong was not show the results of the inquiry again once it was deemed no action (i.e., show the head on with a spot shadow).