Best Sire in the world

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

why is that a bad thing though ? im on the overbrook website looking at storm cat and some of the horses he's sired there are a handful of monsters, i dont understand what the problem is ? i have herd this before about storm cat, and just dont get it

The Storm Cat line is too prevelant. It getting harder and harder to find breeding without it somewhere. Storm Cat has a habit of producing nasty, brittle horses. The good ones are really good. But the bad traits are passed off too.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Storm Cat line is too prevelant. It getting harder and harder to find breeding without it somewhere. Storm Cat has a habit of producing nasty, brittle horses. The good ones are really good. But the bad traits are passed off too.

thats the kind of info i was looking for, thank you.....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Sadler Wells and Sunday Silence should top the list. Danehill's get are pretty good, too.

Sunday Silence and Danehill are dead

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Since both have died relatively recently, I listed them.

Why did Hancock (if he controlled his breeding rights) write off Sunday Silence so soon and sell him to Japanese interests?

A lot of money

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Since both have died relatively recently, I listed them.

Why did Hancock (if he controlled his breeding rights) write off Sunday Silence so soon and sell him to Japanese interests?

Arthur Hancock of Stone Farm got caught in the burst of the bloodstock bubble in 1986/7, when the tax-laws changed. He had to sell Sunday Silence to save the farm, quite literally. He could not interest anybody in Kentucky in buying or syndicating Sunday Silence; lord knowns he tried. Only the Japanese wanted him.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

i love Sadler's Wells he has produced lots of monsters, but to be the best in the world, in my opinion you need more of a dirt influence.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i love Sadler's Wells he has produced lots of monsters, but to be the best in the world, in my opinion you need more of a dirt influence.

Dude there aint much Dirt racing in the rest of the world

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dude there aint much Dirt racing in the rest of the world

i realize that, but to be the best sire in the world dont you think that the sire should produce great horses on both surfaces ? thats why i think giants causeway will be the best, if he already isent. i have no problem saying sadler's wells is the best in Ireland

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i realize that, but to be the best sire in the world dont you think that the sire should produce great horses on both surfaces ? thats why i think giants causeway will be the best, if he already isent. i have no problem saying sadler's wells is the best in Ireland

Comparing Giants Causeway and Sadlers Wells is like comparing Eli Manning and Johnny Unitas

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i realize that, but to be the best sire in the world dont you think that the sire should produce great horses on both surfaces ? thats why i think giants causeway will be the best, if he already isent. i have no problem saying sadler's wells is the best in Ireland

im going to stand by that....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

im going to stand by that....

By the way I think that Giants Causeway is really a turf sire that occasionally gets a dirt runner. Sadlers Wells is a legendary sire, perhaps the greatest sire ever in Europe. Maybe Giants Causeway can get a fair stakes horse like First Samurai on the Dirt but he is about 10 champions behind Sadlers Wells on the Turf. I believe that you may be attaching yourself to a falling star.

[VOL JACK]

Best sire: A.P. Indy and distorted humor. Most overrated: Kingmambo amd Broad Brush. Most underated: Quiet Am. and silver deputy. Best Future Sire: Bernardini and Ghostzapper. Best broodmare sire: Relaunch and Deputy Minister. Howevever, the best sire in the "world" is Sunday Silence.

[POINTGIVEN1985]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Best sire: A.P. Indy and distorted humor. Most overrated: Kingmambo amd Broad Brush. Most underated: Quiet Am. and silver deputy. Best Future Sire: Bernardini and Ghostzapper. Best broodmare sire: Relaunch and Deputy Minister.

i think your way off, distorted humor is very good but not one of the best, how is broad brush overrated ?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i think your way off, distorted humor is very good but not one of the best, how is broad brush overrated ?

If all else was equal I would choose Distorted Humor over Giants Causeway.