Next Big Stallion? What is your opinion?

#1 06-20-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Go check out some of Orientate's two year olds in training at barretts.com and the Keeneland sales. Watch the babies fly! They are incredibly precocious and beautiful moving animals too.

For another $20K you can get Afleet Alex on the same farm. Not impressed with Orientates on the track right now.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #2 06-20-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

For another $20K you can get Afleet Alex on the same farm. Not impressed with Orientates on the track right now.

May I ask why not?

#3 06-20-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

May I ask why not?

I am just not a believer in them being anything but sprinters. He had arguably the best mares out there and I just thought they would be a little more impressive. I probably set the expectations too high on him but he will always be nothing more than a sprinter to me. I probably will eat my words on this one next year when they turn 3, but I still am not a believer.

paisjpq · #4 06-20-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I am just not a believer in them being anything but sprinters. He had arguably the best mares out there and I just thought they would be a little more impressive. I probably set the expectations too high on him but he will always be nothing more than a sprinter to me. I probably will eat my words on this one next year when they turn 3, but I still am not a believer.

but in breeding the conventional logic is that stamina influence comes from the dam, so it will depend what is bred to him. They may not have classic winning distance in them but there is no reason that he can't get good milers.

#5 06-20-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

but in breeding the conventional logic is that stamina influence comes from the dam, so it will depend what is bred to him. They may not have classic winning distance in them but there is no reason that he can't get good milers.

I don't know how true that is if you really looked closely at it. Depending on my mares, I would be more inclined to save the $7500 and go with Honour & Glory. I want to see how that Orientate colt out of the Storm Cat mare Contrive pans out. I still think they will be sprinters but I could be wrong.

paisjpq · #6 06-20-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I don't know how true that is if you really looked closely at it. Depending on my mares, I would be more inclined to save the $7500 and go with Honour & Glory. I want to see how that Orientate colt out of the Storm Cat mare Contrive pans out. I still think they will be sprinters but I could be wrong.

yeah I'm looking for that half to folklore too. I do agree that most of his good ones will be sprinters but look at what some other "sprint" sires have been able to do with the right mare. (and who knows in a year or two you may get him for 7500 less LOL)

#7 06-20-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

yeah I'm looking for that half to folklore too. I do agree that most of his good ones will be sprinters but look at what some other "sprint" sires have been able to do with the right mare. (and who knows in a year or two you may get him for 7500 less LOL)

I think his fee goes up. His foals are gorgeous, but I want to see how far they go.

Rupert Pupkin · #8 06-21-2006, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

yeah I'm looking for that half to folklore too. I do agree that most of his good ones will be sprinters but look at what some other "sprint" sires have been able to do with the right mare. (and who knows in a year or two you may get him for 7500 less LOL)

It was B. Wayne Hughes who bought the half-brother to Folklore. He paid $900,000 for that colt. I believe that Richard Mandella will be the trainer.

Honu · #9 06-21-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

yeah I'm looking for that half to folklore too. I do agree that most of his good ones will be sprinters but look at what some other "sprint" sires have been able to do with the right mare. (and who knows in a year or two you may get him for 7500 less LOL)

The half to Folklore is in our barn , his name is Sterkle, lol not to be confused with Erkle.

Rupert Pupkin · #10 06-21-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

I am just not a believer in them being anything but sprinters. He had arguably the best mares out there and I just thought they would be a little more impressive. I probably set the expectations too high on him but he will always be nothing more than a sprinter to me. I probably will eat my words on this one next year when they turn 3, but I still am not a believer.

I actually heard the same thing about Orientate getting the best mares.

LARHAGE · #11 06-21-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

For another $20K you can get Afleet Alex on the same farm. Not impressed with Orientates on the track right now.

I would rather breed two mares to Orientate than one mare to Afleet Alex, who himself is not as well conformed as Orientate, his pedigree is a lot weaker as well.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #12 06-21-2006, 12:47 PM

You are right. Orientate is a very well-built, classy-looking animal.

Cajungator26 · #13 06-21-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I would rather breed two mares to Orientate than one mare to Afleet Alex, who himself is not as well conformed as Orientate, his pedigree is a lot weaker as well.

Orientate is definitely the best looking stallion at Gainesway.

Cajungator26 · #14 06-21-2006, 01:10 PM

Actually, you know the more I look at Orientate, I love his build, but I'm not a huge fan of his legs. He doesn't appear to have a whole lot of bone there and he looks pretty fragile (although he retired sound after a good year of racing at 4.) Of course I've never seen the horse up close, but that's what it looks like to me.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #15 06-21-2006, 01:18 PM

I think he has a great column of bone. I know why you said that, but it isn't the problem. The problem is that his cannon bones are too long which makes his legs look thinner than they really are. That would have made him a little more prone to tendon injuries. He also may be just a touch calf-kneed, but his legs are clean enough. He's a lot better than a whole lot of them. He retired sound, and that is good enough for me. Besides, all of his two year olds look like very well built, strong horses, and that is all that matters. Well that and the fact that they can fly!

Buffymommy · #16 06-21-2006, 01:26 PM

Haven't followed breeding that much, just kinda interested in it lately, but does anyone know how Budda is doing as a sire? I thought I had heard that his babies were beautiful.

#17 06-21-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Haven't followed breeding that much, just kinda interested in it lately, but does anyone know how Budda is doing as a sire? I thought I had heard that his babies were beautiful.

Lenaro, one of Buddha's looked really impressive in his romp at Churchill in a MSW. I think Buddha is going to be a great stallion.

Rupert Pupkin · #18 06-21-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Haven't followed breeding that much, just kinda interested in it lately, but does anyone know how Budda is doing as a sire? I thought I had heard that his babies were beautiful.

The Budha 2 year olds looked terrible. I think I only saw one decent one out of about 20 of his offspring. I was joking with my trainer that Budha looks like this year's Freud. In 2005, practically every horse by Freud looked terrible. Budha is the Freud of 2006.

Cajungator26 · #19 06-21-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I think he has a great column of bone. I know why you said that, but it isn't the problem. The problem is that his cannon bones are too long which makes his legs look thinner than they really are. That would have made him a little more prone to tendon injuries. He also may be just a touch calf-kneed, but his legs are clean enough. He's a lot better than a whole lot of them. He retired sound, and that is good enough for me. Besides, all of his two year olds look like very well built, strong horses, and that is all that matters. Well that and the fact that they can fly!

Jessica, check out the shoulder on this guy...

http://www.marylandstallions.com/Bowman.html

kentuckyrosesinmay · #20 06-21-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Jessica, check out the shoulder on this guy...

http://www.marylandstallions.com/Bowman.html

Wow. That dude has an enormous sloping shoulder. This is what I like to see. His neck comes out of it good. It also has that rounded appearance that you desire. The only fault I can find with it is that the muscles where his neck tie into his shoulder look a little rough, but it is so hard to tell from a standing photo because it could just be the angle of the camera or the position of his body that is making the muscles look like that.