Next Big Stallion? What is your opinion?
 

Stallions like Giant's Causeway and Montjue have recently emerged as the heir apparents to their sires - Storm Cat and Sadler's Wells, whom have been the highest-regarded modern day stallions in North America and Europe, respectively.

Of the new stallions in North America, which do you think has the best chance to change the breed and emerge as a leading sire heading into the next decade?

This question spawns from discussion of this in another thread, but it certainly deserved its own.

While Fusaichi Pegasus is already somewhat established, I still believe he will be one of the next great American stallions...he doesn't get the respect of farm-mate Giant's Causeway right now, but I think he will down the road.

As for new stallions, I love Vindication and really believe he can be the next A.P. Indy-type when it comes to passing along the good Seattle Slew blood.

Thoughts?

Montjeu looks to be a cracker jack to me.

I think Lion Heart will throw some runners also, he definitely will have a good chance to have a champion with as many mares as he has visited. His miler speed will come through well. Especially down under.

Yeah, I like Lion Heart as well....not many horses alive that are more attractive than him...he was not only fast he is a looker....beautiful horse..

As for Montjue, he is off to a great start in Ireland and now Coolmore is really sending the better mares to him from what I'm hearing....Hurricane Run is considered by many as THE best European Classic performer that Coolmore has ever campaigned over there and he was just in Montjue's first crop, as was Motivator, etc......nice young stallion...

Vindication wasn't very sound, what if he passes that on, might hurt him.

I saw Vindication run at Turfway, he beat a bunch of donkeys, he looked impressive beating those donkeys, but they were donkeys none the less. Then he won with a speed bias at Arlington, not sure if he was really that good of a horse.

Empire Maker is going to be the NEXT SUPER STUD, no doubt in my mind. With the book of mares that he is getting, he is going to throw horses that win from 6f to 12f, turf/dirt or poly, it will not matter. I actually think he is going to be a better turf sire then dirt sire. Anees, of Unbridled progeny, was a great turf sire and his bottom is not NEARLY as strong as Maker's is. When his horses hit the turf, LOOK OUT!!!

I LOOK FORWARD to unloading against his 2 year olds going 5.5 furlongs or less, lots of money to be made there I think because people are going to unload on his horses. Once they start running 7f and longer with his horses, it is rubberband time....

I don't think anyone from this crop is the next big stallion. I do think that next years crop will be very good though, maybe they won't both hit but at least one of the tandem of Empire MAker and Mineshaft will hit. The nice part is that both should sire stayers instead of 5 furlong freaks. We sorely need that right now.

Agree that Monjeu is the next great one from the Northern Dancer line. How about Forestry? Discreet Cat and the $16 million dollar Monkey. Now he'll see some classier mares.

Out of every horse that has been mentioned only Mineshafter ran past the age of three, and he ran until he was a nice ripe age of four. No wonder why horses are so fragile these days. I think you might see the next stallion to make the bigest mark in horse racing is going to come from New York. Say Florida Sandy. He ran for seven yers 98 races 1-3 over 60% of the time. 41 times he had a speed number over 100. I had an opertunity to see jis baby's. His yearlings look like two year olds. They are all images of him, colts and fillies alike. Many of them foal at 145 and up. there was just one reported at 210lbs in Maryland. Do yourselves a favor and don't count him out b/c he is a NY bred.

I think FP is very overrated, myself.......

No matter the buzz on Mineshaft, I still think he's going to be a great sire. He's just got too much pedigree power and awesome ability.

Sky Mesa also wouldn't surprise me; he was very talented and comes from a superior family.

Next year is shaping up to be something terrific.........

I' looking forward to Ghostzapper's offspring, his book must be one of the best (I would imagine) and as the saying goes 'breed the best to the best and then hope for the best'

As a sprint sire I look forward to seeing Songandaprayer's future runners, esp now that he has made the move to KY. He has already shown ability to improve a mare...

I like Aptitude. He might not be the next "great sire" because I'm not sure how versitile his progeny will be, but I love his chances to be a great classic-race sire. His own pedigree (by AP Indy - out of a Northern Dancer mare), and his success at classic distances (remember his romp in the JCGC!) make me think he will produce a lot of horses that love to run beyond 9f on the dirt.
I think Steppenwolfer may be the first of several Aptitude colts that are factors on the TC trail, and if he stays healthy I bet Steppenwolfer has a nice career in the handicap division just like his old man.

He's got some good turf performers thus far, so maybe keep an eye on him as far as that goes. I loved Aptitude - Alex Solis' ride in the Belmont against Commendable was a disgraceful performance which I won't soon forgive or forget. Aptitude should have won that race by open lengths. In any case, I hope you're right about him - he looks also to have a nice 2 year old who won his debut at Lone Star (forgot his name, though........)

Interesting article by George Smith who arranged the mating that resulted in Vindication and his logic to pick Seattle Slew as the sire.

http://www.pedigreepost.com/archives...onGWSmith.html

Great article!
Strawberry Road stood at High Cliff before going to Austrailia.
If you get a chance, go to nybreds and have a look at Best of Luck off the High Cliff link (right side, blue).
One of my mares is in foal to him. I really like the Turn-To 3X3.
Thanks for sharing.
DTS

I like Mr. Livingston the best out of any so far... he stands down here in Florida for a meager $3,500 stud fee. http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...ion_no=4308090

As for Kentucky studs, I think that Saint Liam is going to make some noise. :D

What about this guy?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/isd...ion_no=4299496

Hasn't had anything great yet, but he's definitely a nice looking stallion.

Broadbrush probably has made more money in the shed than any other sire. So why cant one of his sons be a success?

obviously im rooting for point given and smarty jones to be monsters in the shed but another newbie whos pleasing me so far is king cugat, his 5k fee wont be that low for a long time i suspect

I really like Three Chimney's Smarty Jones.

Rockhardten Just a big boy.