GS Sat not as good as thought??

POINTGIVEN1985 · #1 01-29-2007, 07:53 PM

i must be honest.... i feel invasor is very overated... there are 100 reassons why...first he beat no one at pimlico and then he beat no one at belmont ... then he wins the whitney and barley and i mean barley beats sun king... then he lays off and beats bernardini, now for ppl who knock bernardini and say he faced no one, i feel invasor faced less and in the breeders up bernardini was not himself hes under a ride, looks to be going backwards then finally kicks in and invasor bye no means crushed him in that spot.. im not saying hes not a good horse and i know this will now get alot of ppl posting that im crazy but thats just how i feel.

Gander · #2 01-29-2007, 07:56 PM

Invasor wouldnt have been that great back in the mid 90's but given the lack of any other really good older horses, well Charlie, I guess that makes him a star. I think hes pretty darn good but I wouldnt be surprised if he gets beat. Maybe not in the Donn because there isnt anyone really decent in there, but in Dubai for sure. Especially if Mccans Mojave ships to Dubai (ha ha, kidding).

#3 01-29-2007, 09:30 PM

Point Given, Lemon: English Channel got a bit sick and missed some time. He is a diminutive colt and will probably race at FG and pass on Dubai.

T#B good analysis right on.

BTW and Da hoss terrific job intimidating infrequent posters. BBB

blackthroatedwind · #4 01-29-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

Point Given, Lemon: English Channel got a bit sick and missed some time. He is a diminutive colt and will probably race at FG and pass on Dubai.

T#B good analysis right on.

BTW and Da hoss terrific job intimidating infrequent posters. BBB

Let me be clear to you....you are a cheap shot artist with a superiority complex who has alienated people with your BS routine all over the web. You have fooled absolutely nobody on this site and offered nothing of value and only detracted from the value of this place.

No doubt this is yet another of your hit and run posts.

philcski · #5 01-29-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

Point Given, Lemon: English Channel got a bit sick and missed some time. He is a diminutive colt and will probably race at FG and pass on Dubai.

T#B good analysis right on.

BTW and Da hoss terrific job intimidating infrequent posters. BBB

There's a 0% chance English Channel goes to FG. Where do you come up with this crap??

POINTGIVEN1985 · #6 01-29-2007, 10:07 PM

i gave a number of reassons already........ and discreet cat was alot better bernardini was all year barbaro was also theres 3, o and showing up probelly could beat invasor ON DIRT

stonegossard · #7 01-30-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i gave a number of reassons already........ and discreet cat was alot better bernardini was all year barbaro was also theres 3, o and showing up probelly could beat invasor ON DIRT

Well apparently you said 100 reasons.....I want just 10 of them.

Funny....Bernardini was the next superhorse(still was a very nice horse) and Invasor took him kinda easily....Discreet Cat looks to be a monster who beat up on basicallly ok fields...but did it with such ease...not sure DC could take invasor going long

There is ZERO proof that Barbaro could have beaten Invasor...would have been some horserace if they ever met....but to say that one of them was better than the other is tough...especially after Invasor drowned everyone he met...

Showing up??????? on the dirt??????Going long ?????

Please ....you are embarassing yourself.....

POINTGIVEN1985 · #8 01-29-2007, 10:09 PM

Are You Guys Calling Me The Cheap Shot Artist, Or The Guy Who Attacked Me ?

blackthroatedwind · #9 01-29-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It pains me to say it, but I just read in the DRF that EC connections are looking at a race at FG as a prep for Dubai.

There's a $600K or $400K race, used to be the Explosive Bid and now it something like the Muniz Memorial maybe, which makes obvious sense.

Anyone can repeat stuff from DRF and act like they are " in the know ".

blackthroatedwind · #10 01-29-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I know the race you are talking about but I think they run that right around the same time as the Dubai race. I think it's another race. And of course he read it. But stop trying to intimidate people, bully.

I thought that race was early March but you may well be right.

blackthroatedwind · #11 01-29-2007, 11:11 PM

So Premium Tap is apparently passing the Donn in favor of the 1 1/2 mile King's Cup in Saudi Arabia in mid February.

Well, Dynever used that 25 horse spectacle for a prep for his second place finish in the World Cup two years ago but it seems an odd race for a horse with the natural speed of Premium Tap.

blackthroatedwind · #12 01-29-2007, 11:12 PM

And the race at FG for English Channel is February 10th and a Grade 3.

JJP · #13 01-29-2007, 11:32 PM

So now English Channel will be running against a couple of Illinois breds (Fort Prado and Mystery Giver). Nobody can accuse Todd of being overly ambitious here.

stonegossard · #14 01-29-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i must be honest.... i feel invasor is very overated... there are 100 reassons why...first he beat no one at pimlico and then he beat no one at belmont ... then he wins the whitney and barley and i mean barley beats sun king... then he lays off and beats bernardini, now for ppl who knock bernardini and say he faced no one, i feel invasor faced less and in the breeders up bernardini was not himself hes under a ride, looks to be going backwards then finally kicks in and invasor bye no means crushed him in that spot.. im not saying hes not a good horse and i know this will now get alot of ppl posting that im crazy but thats just how i feel.

And I feel this might be the stupidest thing I have read in a long time...congrats.....

100 reasons? Give me 10....

Who last year was better than Invasor?

Danzig · #15 01-29-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i must be honest.... i feel invasor is very overated... there are 100 reassons why...first he beat no one at pimlico and then he beat no one at belmont ... then he wins the whitney and barley and i mean barley beats sun king... then he lays off and beats bernardini, now for ppl who knock bernardini and say he faced no one, i feel invasor faced less and in the breeders up bernardini was not himself hes under a ride, looks to be going backwards then finally kicks in and invasor bye no means crushed him in that spot.. im not saying hes not a good horse and i know this will now get alot of ppl posting that im crazy but thats just how i feel.

invasor won all but one race in his career. he's faced the best this country had to offer. as for 'laying up' and then beating bernardini, his long layoff caused concern for many--there's fresh, and there's rusty. bernardini certainly didn't have an overly tough schedule. as for the classic, bernardini ran a race like all his others--same timewise and figurewise. problem was this time another horse was faster than he had been all year. way overrated? by whom? i think bernardini was overrated by those who thought he was seattle slew reborn. but no one went nuts all year about invasor--he only got any press after the classic!