Corinthian - YES

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Corinthian has never really run a "great" race......until he does I dont think much of him. The claimers thing was sarcastic.....of course they wont let him go in a claiming race.....even if thats where he will be the most competitive down the road...

There are only two horses returning in the older male division that have run a great race and one that has run a very good one in Premium Tap. Behind them it is pretty wide open.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There are only two horses returning in the older male division that have run a great race and one that has run a very good one in Premium Tap. Behind them it is pretty wide open.

True, but Corinthian is behind quite a few at this point. You can say the potential gap isn't that big, but considering he ran a couple fair races a year ago, and one terrible race six months ago, I would say Corinthian is more than a longshot, and really just one of those names people like to say " what if " about....when really they should be saying " never was ".

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

True, but Corinthian is behind quite a few at this point. You can say the potential gap isn't that big, but considering he ran a couple fair races a year ago, and one terrible race six months ago, I would say Corinthian is more than a longshot, and really just one of those names people like to say " what if " about....when really they should be saying " never was ".

I believe there is a lot of talent there if he can ever harness his energy into the race rather than wasting it all pre-race. Unfortunately the only way that is likely to happen is with the ultimate equipment change which is doubtful to ever happen. More than likely he'll never show that talent and will fit perfectly with your notion that he never had much to begin with. But then again, there is always the chance he does get his head on straight. At the very least he will be interesting to watch in his first two races back.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I believe there is a lot of talent there if he can ever harness his energy into the race rather than wasting it all pre-race. Unfortunately the only way that is likely to happen is with the ultimate equipment change which is doubtful to ever happen. More than likely he'll never show that talent and will fit perfectly with your notion that he never had much to begin with. But then again, there is always the chance he does get his head on straight. At the very least he will be interesting to watch in his first two races back.

Sorry, I'm not a built-in-excuse guy. You either think he will do well or you don't.

I don't. You seem to feel regardless of what he does you are correct...you are not.

By the way.....any other Jimmy Jerkens horses you have unrealistic expectations about that I need to be aware of?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Sorry, I'm not a built-in-excuse guy. You either think he will do well or you don't.

I don't. You seem to feel regardless of what he does you are correct...you are not.

By the way.....any other Jimmy Jerkens horses you have unrealistic expectations about that I need to be aware of?

Well it's tough when gelding the horse isn't a decision I can make. If that happened I think he'd be a very good horse. As it is I think the chance of him not amounting to much is a lot more likely than becoming a very good horse. Doesn't mean I'm not going to hope that he does magically get his act together and become a top horse or discount the possibility that it could happen. I don't really see why they'd bring him back this year if they didn't think it could happen.

It's funny that I like two different Jimmy Jerkens horses. I couldn't pick the guy out of a lineup and don't know anything about him yet Corinthian and Sir Greeley are two of my favorite horses out there.

Oh, and I'm thinking the chances of Sir Greeley winning a G1 this year aren't looking too bad right now. I think the Carter and Met Mile are both ripe for the picking. Latent Heat is the frontrunner for the Carter at least and he's never struck me as that great of a horse. Latent Heat and Sun King will probably be the frontrunners for the Met Mile unless Discreet Cat shows up and neither of them are unbeatable either. Unfortunately with his recent record he's more likely to run 2nd in both than win either.

[blackthroatedwind]

Nothing wrong with rooting for Corinthian but I just never saw all this ability that everyone else did. I believe last year's FOY was a VERY bad race. To me Corinthian looks like yet another horse that will probably never race again and if he does it will not be very well. But I've been wrong before.

As for Sir Greeley....you're delusional. You have some deep affection for the horse that is severly clouding your judgement. I hope he makes all your dreams come true. Good luck to that.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nothing wrong with rooting for Corinthian but I just never saw all this ability that everyone else did. I believe last year's FOY was a VERY bad race. To me Corinthian looks like yet another horse that will probably never race again and if he does it will not be very well. But I've been wrong before.

As for Sir Greeley....you're delusional. You have some deep affection for the horse that is severly clouding your judgement. I hope he makes all your dreams come true. Good luck to that.

Blackthroat,
You could be entirely right with this.
Heck, just getting a horse back on the track after a serious injury shows me some hope. About as easy as breaking a cribber of the chewing.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Wherever Blockhead is nowadays, he knows that I put Corinthian out on here before the bad stuff happened. I'd like to see both Corinthian and Blocky back. Just might liven things up for the unbelievers, uhh, fans.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nothing wrong with rooting for Corinthian but I just never saw all this ability that everyone else did. I believe last year's FOY was a VERY bad race. To me Corinthian looks like yet another horse that will probably never race again and if he does it will not be very well. But I've been wrong before.

As for Sir Greeley....you're delusional. You have some deep affection for the horse that is severly clouding your judgement. I hope he makes all your dreams come true. Good luck to that.

I was just looking back at the Past Performances for the FOY. It actually wasn't as bad as I thought. First Sam was coming off a bunch of nice races (103/98/107), Great Point and My Golden Song had just lost by a small margin to Barbaro. Rehoboth was coming off a nice allowance win. Flashy Bull was showing some promising form at the time. Jazil was in the race as well. Not a good field but nowhere near as bad as the Dwyer. I think the real question that has to be answered was what was going on at the end of the race. Were we seeing a tiring horse veering out in the stretch because he was out of gas or were we seeing a horse with a lot left that got to the lead too early and started goofing off displaying his Buckpasser genes? If it is the former then there is little reason to expect he will improve significantly off that race. If it was the latter then there is reason to believe he could be very good.

We'll see if I look delusional or not come May. I bet Sir Greeley hits the board in both and I think it is 20-1 that he wins one of them.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There are only two horses returning in the older male division that have run a great race and one that has run a very good one in Premium Tap. Behind them it is pretty wide open.

I agree. Definetly wide open. Premium tap looks like the real deal. Invasor is a monster. Who knows where Discreet Cat will end up. Lava Man has zero shot running outside of Cali...he should stay out there beating up on former claimers/hasbeens. Sweetnorthernsaint to me is a a nice horse....but has yet to prove he is top tier. Chatain looks like a very promising horse...lightly raced....I know he had a nice set up in last...but man...great race. One of my old favorites is supposedly gonna run again...Brass Hat....but he is coming off of a few bad injuries...if he was to get back to 100 percent he would be a top threat. SHould be an interesting year in the older division.